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2005-03-01 Europe

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Posted by Anonymous5089 2005-03-01 04:16|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Interesting. Like the CDC science error. If you don't like the answer, the poll must be unbalanced. So...ask a different question! "How much did the Americans deserve 9/11? A lot/more than a little/not at all?" Maybe that WAS the question?

Posted by Bobby 2005-03-01 11:30:26 AM|| 2005-03-01 11:30:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The West has a tough time understanding the Islamic movement, because it is foreign to the base value system of the West, and is in fact, OPPOSED to the base value system of the West. Religion, and subsequent societal values stemming from an historical experience of religion, necessarily inform and dictate present behavior in a general sense--even if the religion under discussion is not adhered to or practiced any longer.

Holland's values are based in Christianity (though that has most likely been forgotten in the "post modern" age), and the immigrants' values generally come from Islam, as well as their countries of origin. It's not even important to the argument whether or not either group remembers where they got their values from and why they believe what they believe--at this point it's an established fact of life for both groups.

So, the Dutch want to pursue freedom, tolerance and multicultural perspectives as values (values based on 1000 years of the influence of Christianity)--even going so far as to supply "funding for mosques, religious schools, language courses and housing." The immigrants, however, want the polar opposite--freedom, tolerance and multiculturalism simply are NOT their values.

It was terribly silly, in the first place, to believe that the immigrants coming into Holland (or into England, or into the US, or into Switzerland) were ever coming there to pursue the values and societal dreams of Dutch society. While a minority of Moslems may indeed have wanted to escape the oppressive environments of their native lands, and were willing and happy to accept the norms of Western civilization, the rest don't. And at this point, it really must be bad there for 40% to say they "hoped" Muslims "no longer feel at home" in Holland. In other words, the Dutch opened their doors, thinking the Moslems would like to come there and be "Dutch." Then they found out that "this was not a sweet and blameless (Moslem) youth, to put it mildly," and they ignored important questions of crime, culture, and national identity, which should have been asked in the first place. But true to liberalism, even asking such questions would have labled such inquiry the venue of "racists" and "crypto-Nazis". (Hmm. Guess it goes without saying, that before you open the doors, it might be a good idea to find our exactly what's waiting on the other side.) Now "the newcomers already outnumber the native Dutch among under-20-year-olds." It's only a matter of time then, until native Dutch are in the minority. When that happens, the majority will be the ones deciding which values reign.

The same is true here in the US regarding the Moslem tactic of immigration and the setting up of Islamic enclaves--it's clearly all part of a larger strategy of jihad when they do it that way. Americans might think "Well, we believe in freedom of religion, so we must support them (or we will be in opposition to our own cherished value system)." True, but then, "the Moslems ain't doin'what they sez theys doin'--and that changes everything.

What's really a shame is that the Moslems who DO want to start a life based on what our values afford, and are willing to live by our value of freedom of religion, etc., can all to easily be lumped in with the rest--which leads to racism. The higher plane is to be able to decipher who's doing what, and support the good guys while ferreting out the bad apples.

BTW--I was once again appalled by the Moslem sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility and accountability. The lady backed into the guy that stole her bag. Instead of saying, "Well, he kinda got what he deserved," the Moslems make the thief into a martyr JUST BECAUSE HE'S MOSLEM. This kind of mindset is very receptive to facist/toltalitarian/socialist politcal models that characterize Moslem world. Hopefully, we'll see more of what we're seeing in Iraq and Lebanon--in some cases, even the Moslems have had enough.

Something that's funny to me (well, not funny, really) is that without understanding the entire context of the origin of of the value system one is operating within, it happens that the vague application of the values without context, leads to a fog of lunacy--like thinking everything will be peachy if we're just "nice" to others. This Pollyanish view is not supported in the greater and specific contexts of the actual belief and value system it purportedly came from.

Posted by ex-lib 2005-03-01 1:09:07 PM|| 2005-03-01 1:09:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Then came reports that the atrocities in New York and Washington had been greeted with cheers in parts of Rotterdam. Forum, the Dutch institute for multicultural development, commissioned an opinion poll of Dutch Muslims. It showed that 48% had "complete understanding" and 27% "some understanding" of the attacks. Overall, only 62% disapproved. Wim Kok, the then prime minister, expressed his shock. The poll was said to be "unbalanced".

Wimmy was the only thing unbalanced there because he was blind to the truth about the way the Islamonuts think...

Yup. I think that old Pym Fortuyn was ahead of his time. On Laura Ingraham this AM they were discussing this very subject. How many native Dutch are leaving Europe to come to the US, go to Australia, etc.

With the expulsion of some magic mullahs from Holland last week, it looks as though Holland my explode, and sooner rather than later.

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-01 1:19:02 PM|| 2005-03-01 1:19:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Perhaps instead of welcoming the Dutch and others who want to escape the colonization of their homeland, we should turn them away. Make them go back home and fight for their country instead of cowering behind us cowboys and our military.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2005-03-01 1:32:31 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2005-03-01 1:32:31 PM|| Front Page Top

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