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2005-02-27 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-02-27 12:15:43 AM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Rule #1: No Witnesses.
Rule #2: This Does NOT Mean "Kill Witnesses".
Rule #3: If the military won't do it, it could probably get you in trouble.
Rule #4: Trouble is NOT your business. Your business is mission accomplishment.
Rule #5: "The bomb" will either go off or it won't. Your watching it won't help, either way.
Rule #6: Letting someone go often gets you more results than any other means.
Rule #7: The most effective interrogators provide coffee and cigarettes.
Rule #8: "Nobody ever looks for a body in a cemetery."
Rule #9: "Never bring a knife to a gunfight."
Rule #10: When in doubt, go. It was there before you arrived, it will probably be there after you leave.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-02-27 10:24:52 AM|| 2005-02-27 10:24:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Excellent! Those are 10 rules that can be used in any police department and 7 can be applied to any corporate situation.

Posted by Shipman 2005-02-27 4:25:21 PM|| 2005-02-27 4:25:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 This is the crux of the problem for Ops and it always has been:

How do we take the bad guys out without becoming the bad guys ourselves?

Sometimes the "bad guy" methods are the only ones that work due to cultural issues - but after the first break, the others fall in line.

Sometimes urgency demands expedient methods. Problem is EVERYTHING becomes urgent to people up the food chain, if you use "field expedients" and they seem effective.

WHat most people seem to never know or figure out is that the effectiveness of the "expedient" methods drops rapidly, and you are stuck with no real recourse. That is, "bad-cop:bad-cop" only works for a while, and only if there was a "good-cop" somewhere along the way as a contrast.

Put more simply:

All stick and no carrot will eventually cause Ivan/Abdul/Pedro/Chiang to callous up and go silent in resignation, or else just start talking his head off telling you whatever he thinks you want to hear, regardless of the truth.

Either way you've blown a source because absent corroboration, you have no idea if anything he says is worth knowing.

I don't envy Porter Goss his job - hell its tough enough just carrying out policy, much less formulating it, in this kind of a flip-flop black-white world.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-27 7:28:09 PM|| 2005-02-27 7:28:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 This is the crux of the problem for Ops and it always has been:

How do we take the bad guys out without becoming the bad guys ourselves?

Sometimes the "bad guy" methods are the only ones that work due to cultural issues - but after the first break, the others fall in line.

Sometimes urgency demands expedient methods. Problem is EVERYTHING becomes urgent to people up the food chain, if you use "field expedients" and they seem effective.

WHat most people seem to never know or figure out is that the effectiveness of the "expedient" methods drops rapidly, and you are stuck with no real recourse. That is, "bad-cop:bad-cop" only works for a while, and only if there was a "good-cop" somewhere along the way as a contrast.

Put more simply:

All stick and no carrot will eventually cause Ivan/Abdul/Pedro/Chiang to callous up and go silent in resignation, or else just start talking his head off telling you whatever he thinks you want to hear, regardless of the truth.

Either way you've blown a source because absent corroboration, you have no idea if anything he says is worth knowing.

I don't envy Porter Goss his job - hell its tough enough just carrying out policy, much less formulating it, in this kind of a flip-flop black-white world.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-27 7:28:09 PM|| 2005-02-27 7:28:09 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-27 7:28:09 PM|| 2005-02-27 7:28:09 PM|| Front Page Top

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