Article

2005-02-12 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

U.S. can't stop Iran's atomic ambitions-Rafsanjani

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Fred 2005-02-12 00:00:00 AM|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The US should let it 'slip' to the media, that it only needs to destroy Iran once, to force ~~submission~~ compliance!

Posted by smn 2005-02-12 1:24:26 AM|| 2005-02-12 1:24:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Nuke Qom, and the Persian entity will collapse.

Posted by IToldYouSo 2005-02-12 2:56:16 AM|| 2005-02-12 2:56:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 ITSY, do you have any solutions that don't involve nukes?

Posted by Seafarious 2005-02-12 3:11:42 AM|| 2005-02-12 3:11:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The US only need destroy the 300 sites (both confirmed and suspected) with the caveat of regime change as a simultaneous option! The US will not be the first to push the Nuclear Button, but the last. As always The US need the impetous for the final option; remember, no one was "nuked" by the US for 9/11, an Iran certainly would not be able to do that type of destruction in the US firsthand, their retaliatory strike(s) would be against the strategic forces in the theater. The Use It Or Lose It senario will force the mullahs to draw down their ultimate destiny for the Iranian people.

Posted by smn 2005-02-12 4:51:48 AM|| 2005-02-12 4:51:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 #1 POSTER.. NUKE THE BITCH THAT SHIT YOU OUT SCUM BAG BASTARD ...THE OWNER OF THIS FAG UNITED OF AMERIKKKKA BLOG SHOUL BE RAPPED FOR PERMITTING THIS LANGUAGE YOU ARE NOT WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABBOUT AND SCUM LIKE YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS PLEAZ GO BACK TO iNDIA OR ISRZRA FUCCCK YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by SEND THE SCUM BACK TO India 2005-02-12 5:09:20 AM|| 2005-02-12 5:09:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 #1 POSTER.. NUKE THE BITCH THAT SHIT YOU OUT SCUM BAG BASTARD ...THE OWNER OF THIS FAG UNITED OF AMERIKKKKA BLOG SHOUL BE RAPPED FOR PERMITTING THIS LANGUAGE YOU ARE NOT WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABBOUT AND SCUM LIKE YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS PLEAZ GO BACK TO iNDIA OR ISRZRA FUCCCK YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For more information dial 1-800-TEDDYKENNEDY, but don't dial the NNEDY.

Posted by badanov 2005-02-12 5:13:39 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif] 2005-02-12 5:13:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 And I shall rapped Fred, thrice! Take that, you Bad Blog Guy!

PLEASE:
For heaven's sakes, don't delete this jewel. It's priceless. We're only talking a few amino acids, mebbe an alkaloid or two, a missing chromosome, and *poof* we'd all be just like him. (See Dr Steve for specifics.)

Better living and ranting through Chemistry.

Posted by .com 2005-02-12 5:22:16 AM|| 2005-02-12 5:22:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Fred,
can I have 5 grams of the stuff #5 has imbibed, smoked or injected prior to commenting sent CAD to my residential address ? ?

Posted by EoZ 2005-02-12 7:25:40 AM|| 2005-02-12 7:25:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Fred's a rapper? That just didn't seem like his kind of style. Oh, well... Everyday I learn something new here.

Posted by Dar 2005-02-12 8:47:00 AM|| 2005-02-12 8:47:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm picturing Frank Booth when I read #5. At the party at Ben's (Dean Stockwell).

Posted by eLarson 2005-02-12 10:18:19 AM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2005-02-12 10:18:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Looks like Howard Dean dropped by while he was out celebrating the big promotion...

Posted by tu3031 2005-02-12 10:33:49 AM|| 2005-02-12 10:33:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 I think a few well-placed nukes would do wonders in obliterating some of Iran's nuke/missile facilities in short order and sending a message to our sworn adversaries that our nuke arsenal is not just some hypothetical bargaining tool. Conventional weapons can take out the easier targets including the Iranian military near the Gulf. The likes of #5 need to be humbled.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-12 10:34:29 AM|| 2005-02-12 10:34:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 "...developed countries generate 70 or 80 percent of their electricity from nuclear energy..."
The Great Satan produces about 20% of its electricity by nuclear means, but would probably do less if it was sitting on the natural gas reserves that Iran is.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-12 10:37:54 AM|| 2005-02-12 10:37:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Grandmaster Flash Fred to you, sir!

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-12 11:17:26 AM|| 2005-02-12 11:17:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Wow, the things you miss when you're out checking the missile silos...

ITSY, do you have any solutions that don't involve nukes?

Maybe, but where's he going to find 700 55-gallon drums of Miracle Whip, a ton of peacock feathers, and a willing midget?

...YOU ARE NOT WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABBOUT AND SCUM LIKE YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS PLEAZ GO BACK TO iNDIA OR ISRZRA...

Dear DU moderators, please come over and pick up your dog. It's ruining the front lawn.

Posted by Pappy 2005-02-12 12:02:11 PM|| 2005-02-12 12:02:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Okay, okay, I won't nuke #5. He can be today's chew-toy.

Posted by Steve White 2005-02-12 12:30:06 PM|| 2005-02-12 12:30:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 ITSY and Tom, using a nuke of any kind on Iran would be a disaster for the US -- the single exception being, if they used one on us, the Israelis, or the Euros. The world would NEVER forgive us if we unilaterally popped them. Each and every strong, current ally -- the Brits, the Aussies, the Poles -- would turn against us. We'd never live it down.

We don't need to nuke Iran. We need to encourage a revolution. The mullahs need see the 1989 play, "Nicky Ceausescu's Last Day on Earth". Skip to Act II.

Posted by Steve White 2005-02-12 12:33:20 PM|| 2005-02-12 12:33:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Sounds fine, Steve, except how do you encourage revolution? The Romanians lived under Ceausescu's boot for a long time. What makes you think you can have an uprising before the mullah's get their nukes and hide one in your own backyard? Or just hide a very-dirty dirty bomb in your own backyard?

And how do you send the "don't tread on me" message to the others -- the Kimmies, the fanatical Pakis, and others who hate us and have small nuclear arsenals or other WMD capabilities?

The Brits, Aussies, and Poles may be your worry, but the Iranian mullahs, NKors, Pakis, Syrians, etc. are mine. I want to make them positively fear for their lives if another 9/11-type event occurs. I want a Libya-type response and I want it soon.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-12 2:48:54 PM|| 2005-02-12 2:48:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I'll agree we can't stop their ambitions.... ;-p

And no, #1 & 5 - conventional will do quite nicely.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2005-02-12 2:56:07 PM|| 2005-02-12 2:56:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 I want a Libya-type response and I want it soon.

Why wait? You can do it yourself. Just get a fancy uniform full of medals, an army of fem-bots, and start spouting nonsense.

Posted by Pappy 2005-02-12 4:13:23 PM|| 2005-02-12 4:13:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 MISSPELLERS OF THE WORLD......UNTIE !

Posted by Tom Dooley 2005-02-12 4:26:20 PM|| 2005-02-12 4:26:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Don't know that we need nukes; conventional weapons would do just fine.

I wonder if the mullahs are scared by the recent developments in Iraq - and if they're trying to jack up the nuclear talk in order to make both themselves and, to a lesser degree, their subjects feel better. Now, I'm no statesman or military analyst, but what if we tried to support the democratic movements in Iran while running a surgical removal of the mullahs' nuke facilities? Is it possible that we could declaw them without much political fallout?

Posted by The Doctor 2005-02-12 4:54:10 PM|| 2005-02-12 4:54:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 the only downside is if they're (the MM's) successful in getting nationalism to trump reality of how badly the people have been misled and misruled. The Iranian peeps are ripe to overthrow the regime

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-12 5:05:04 PM|| 2005-02-12 5:05:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 I engage in the thrust and parry with America-haters on a blog run by a Middle Easter Studies prof at Berkeley. I'll post the link Monday. Anyway, this crank, just like Juan Cole, asserts that the Iranian mullocracy IS democracy and IS supported by the vast majority of the people. The assertions to the contrary are written by "propogandists". That was his actual term. Self-delusion is a wonderful thing, no?

Posted by Remoteman 2005-02-12 5:46:23 PM|| 2005-02-12 5:46:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Berkeley? Ok, maybe I'll agree with ITSY and Tom about nukes, but just this one time...

Looking forward to the link, Remoteman.

Posted by Pappy 2005-02-12 7:09:06 PM|| 2005-02-12 7:09:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 We used to say, when I was on active duty, "Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark". Unfortunately, black turbans don't glow too well. What we need to do is to run a really NASTY covert operation against them - destroy everything not nailed down. Blow up their ports and harbors, blow up their oil infrastructure and starve them of cash, blow up the mullahs and their respective mosques. Take off the gloves and show them just how nasty we can be, WITHOUT using nukes. And if they respond against us or our allies, destroy their military and civilian infrastructure from the Persian Gulf coast to 200 miles inland from the Armenian border to the Pakistan border. In the meantime, invite all the Iranians in the United States (and our allies) to partake in some serious military training if they're willing to go back to Iran and stir up trouble. While that's a playbook right out of the Russian manual, it's been known to work a time or three. We need to decide we'll do "whatever works" to eliminate the Iranian problem. Then we can follow with Syria, Korea, and whoever else tries to bully the United States.

Posted by Old Patriot 2005-02-12 8:06:22 PM|| [http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-02-12 8:06:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Back in about 1980, a friend of mine who worked on cruise missile development used to boast that we would be able to "put a cruise missile through Breshnev's bedroom window". How about a Mad Mullah's bedroom window. Fired from a sub, nothing announced, nothing admitted, ever.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-12 8:36:31 PM|| 2005-02-12 8:36:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Revolutions cost $$$. I suggest "Lawyers, guns and money." Let the Iranians do the rest.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-02-12 9:30:14 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-02-12 9:30:14 PM|| Front Page Top

00:02 Aris Katsaris
23:54 CrazyFool
23:25 Cyber Sarge
23:17 DMFD
23:15 Dishman
23:12 Bomb-a-rama
23:10 Barbara Skolaut
23:08 phil_b
23:07 Frank G
23:03 phil_b
23:02 Frank G
22:48 Dishman
22:38 Aris Katsaris
22:37 Zpaz
22:36 Dishman
22:35 Tom
22:33 God Save The World
22:29 Tom
22:26 God Save The World
22:25 Paul Moloney
22:24 God Save The World
22:23 Tom
22:22 Tom
22:21 Aris Katsaris