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2005-01-02 Europe

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Posted by tipper 2005-01-02 6:51:08 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The Dutch could really clean up their unassimilated minority problem by exiling anyone who refuses to shake hands with a woman...

Posted by Hupailet Grereting6218 2005-01-02 7:57:50 AM|| 2005-01-02 7:57:50 AM|| Front Page Top

"I just hope the police don't misuse it just to harass Moroccans or Turks and other people."

On the contrary - I just hope they do.

Hupailet Grereting6218 - Excellent idea. But don't announce it before-hand; if they know it's coming, they'll shake hands since it's OK to lie to an infidel.

As a matter of fact, I'd suggest having women officers at all border entry points; any man arriving who won't shake a woman's hand gets sent back. (Any women and young children with her may stay if she signs a paper - in her native language - that she and her children will learn Dutch and assimilate into society, and she will work. If none of this has occurred to some degree within a year, back they go too.)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2005-01-02 11:14:54 AM|| 2005-01-02 11:14:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 ID cards have to rate as one of the worst techniques known for improving security in a society. The problems is that they *do* work in a controlled environment, like in a building or a small, heavily policed area. But at a particular point in scale they have just the *opposite* effect from what you want: instead of policing the criminal, you only police, and harass, and annoy, and dehumanize the law abiding. Ironically, ID cards suffer from the same paradox as gun control: a reasonably good idea in a dense urban area, but a rotten idea in any "red" county.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-01-02 1:09:33 PM|| 2005-01-02 1:09:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Any women and young children with her may stay if she signs a paper - in her native language - that she and her children will learn Dutch and assimilate into society, and she will work.
Sounds too bleeding heart for me. So who's going to take care of the kids while the woman works, provided she can find a job that hires her without knowing Dutch or English? And who is going to do the monitoring of this family 1 year, 2 years, from now? And are those kids not going to resent having their family split up and not having daddy allowed in the country?

Posted by joeblow 2005-01-02 2:04:25 PM|| 2005-01-02 2:04:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 OK, joeblow, send the whole lot of them back. Works for me. Most of them would want to stay with the husband anyway; I was just suggesting a way a few women would be able to gain some freedom.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2005-01-02 2:44:10 PM|| 2005-01-02 2:44:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Anonymoose: But at a particular point in scale they have just the *opposite* effect from what you want: instead of policing the criminal, you only police, and harass, and annoy, and dehumanize the law abiding.

In most - if not all - of East Asia, residents are required to produce ID cards on demand. I can't say I've felt particularly dehumanized during my travels there. The good thing about these laws is that they allow the police to verify whether someone is a legal resident of the country in question. This is a good part of the reason that illegal immigrants are not a particularly big problem over there, even though many foreigners with visibly foreign features or accents are in-country on work permits.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-01-02 9:31:12 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-01-02 9:31:12 PM|| Front Page Top

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