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2004-12-15 China-Japan-Koreas

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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-12-15 12:27:05 AM|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Point of order - North Korea was discovered violating the Pyongyang agreement long before 2002, and by the Clinton admins, NOT Dubya's, and the only thing the NorKor Commies want, as Commies thoughout the Cold War did, is accomodation and appeasement. Goes to show, AGAIN, that the Clintons, Commies, and the BETTY CROCKER-CRATS of America, i.e. the anti-USA = Saving the USA Dems, are not to blamed for anything and everything, even when they themselves admit or infer to doing wrong.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2004-12-15 2:48:28 AM|| [http://n/a] 2004-12-15 2:48:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 NKOR is another fine country that is systematically starving its people, threatening its neighbors, firing missiles over the Japanese main Islands, working a deal that Jimmy Carter penned - of course, they're not cheating. It is just business as usual.

Hello? Wake up does it take a mushroom cloud in LA?

Posted by Doug De Bono 2004-12-15 8:28:56 AM|| [http://www.DouglasDeBono.com] 2004-12-15 8:28:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Great, Mikey:

"...how much credible evidence is there to back up Washingtonâs uranium accusation?..."
"But what if those assessments were exaggerated..."
"If it turns out that North Korea did not cheat..."

Bring us some news next time, not just devil's advocate speculation.

Posted by Tom 2004-12-15 8:41:41 AM|| 2004-12-15 8:41:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Mikey's picture is in the dictionary under "gullible".

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-12-15 9:30:04 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-12-15 9:30:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Bring us some news next time, not just devil's advocate speculation.

ditto.

Posted by 2b 2004-12-15 10:05:59 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:05:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Foreign Affairs used to be a solid, balanced, magazine. Sometime after the war in Iraq I noticed a shift in the number of conservative vs liberal pieces the magazine covered. Not sure why the shift occured but the lack of balance made the magazine unreadable to me.

The main competition, Foreign Policy slants left as well, always has as far as I can tell. They have more pretty pictures but less depth to their articles.

Posted by rjschwarz 2004-12-15 10:14:45 AM|| [http://rjschwarz.com] 2004-12-15 10:14:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Right on, rjs. Back in the distant past, when trees died for me, I used to subscribe to FA - excellent stuff, just damned expensive... Now - not a chance, heh.

Posted by .com 2004-12-15 10:18:38 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:18:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 RC,

Mikey is not gullible. However, he believes the rest of us are. Which is why he flings this crap out in front of us and calls it gold.

Posted by Psycho Hillbilly 2004-12-15 10:22:49 AM|| 2004-12-15 10:22:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 I can't distinguish stories about North Korea from stories about "voting" in King County, Washington anymore.

Hey...maybe the NORKs "found" their nukes under a polling machine...

Posted by Justrand 2004-12-15 11:44:13 AM|| 2004-12-15 11:44:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 "Did North Korea cheat?"

Does a bear shit in the woods?

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-12-15 1:24:51 PM|| 2004-12-15 1:24:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 But what if those assessments were exaggerated and blurred the important distinction between weapons-grade uranium enrichment (which would clearly violate the 1994 Agreed Framework) and lower levels of enrichment (which were technically forbidden by the 1994 accord but are permitted by the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty [NPT] and do not produce uranium suitable for nuclear weapons)?

seems hes admitting that they DID cheat on the Agreed Framework. Thats the point, I thought.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-12-15 1:35:06 PM|| 2004-12-15 1:35:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Iraq fell scaring Libya into rolling on their WMD program equipped by AQKhan of Pakistan who was caught 'red-handed' in the nuclear proliferation business.

He says North Korea developed 5 Nukes DURING the Clinton(D) administration's American-taxpayer-subsidized program that provided unranium 'lite'...

Which, when consumed, provides weapons grade plutonium.

So Clinton/Carter/Albright provided the means, AQKhan/Pakistan provided the technology and NorthKorea now has nukes.

Posted by DANEgerus 2004-12-15 2:13:24 PM|| [http://www.danegerus.com/weblog] 2004-12-15 2:13:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 "Does a bear shit in the woods?"

Well, Barbara, yes. He also apparently pees in a urinal.:)

Posted by Doc8404 2004-12-15 3:29:25 PM|| 2004-12-15 3:29:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 There are three or four different ways you can verify uranium enrichment and plutonium extraction from aerial surveillance. I can't go into details, but the evidence is concrete. There is NO way to confuse low-grade and high-grade uranium extraction - they rely on different processes. While low-grade enrichment is the first step toward high-grade enrichment, the extra steps for the latter are discenrible and concrete. Plutonium extraction can ONLY be done in a specific facility designed for that process, and that process alone. There are no intelligence mistakes. The NORKS are cheating, as all communist governments (and islamofascists, for that matter) cheat. Making deals with the other side is a well-used and commonly-abused process that has a long track record in communist states. You cannot trust people to keep an agreement when their very philosophy expresses the use of agreements as just another tactic to be used in the war of conquest.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-12-15 4:13:19 PM|| [http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2004-12-15 4:13:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Exactly, Doc. Shouldn't the bear be seated in a stall, perhaps perusing L'OSSERVATORE ROMANO?

Posted by mojo 2004-12-15 5:39:21 PM|| 2004-12-15 5:39:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Did North Korea cheat?

Cheat? What? Are they playing Monopoly or something?

Posted by 98zulu 2004-12-15 6:42:35 PM|| 2004-12-15 6:42:35 PM|| Front Page Top

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