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2004-11-02 Europe
French push limits in anti-terrorism fight
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Posted by tipper 2004-11-02 2:12:29 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Guilty until proved otherwise. The Napoleonic code has it's pluses. Don't get busted in Mexico. It's pretty harsh on women and inheritance as well.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-11-02 8:07:40 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-11-02 8:07:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The French may be a bunch of arrogant assholes whose default position is to be an enemy of the U. S. but they are not stupid.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-02 8:29:06 AM||   2004-11-02 8:29:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Overseas, the French are pr*cks toward Uncle Sam; at home, the French are pr*cks toward their domestic jihadists. They are not our ally but there's much we can learn from them.
Posted by lex 2004-11-02 1:51:33 PM||   2004-11-02 1:51:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 But their anti-veil policy is asinine. On that front there's much they can learn from us.
Posted by lex 2004-11-02 1:52:18 PM||   2004-11-02 1:52:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 It depends on what to goal is. If they want to assimilate them it is stupid. If they want to drive them out of the country, it is smart. I suspect the veil thing is the start of a legal ethnic cleansing program that will never be identified as such explicitly. If subtlety and nuance don't work, there's always the St Bartholomew's option.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-02 2:00:02 PM||   2004-11-02 2:00:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Lex

On the front of the veil it is _you_ who should learn. It is not about the freedom of the girls, it is not even about the freedom of the parents, it is about islamists threatening the parents (remember what happens to appostates in the religion of peace?). It would be a betrayal of hundreds of thousands of North-Africans who are adepts of sufism (who happens to be domlinant between North-Africans at least for those speak Berber) or not religious to not counter the islamists and let them force their discriminatory ideas. During the eighties France looked the other way about female genital mutilation between girls of sub-saharian origin. It was a shame, a shame perpetrated by the left in the name of tolerance, multiculturalism and similar drivel. I don't want to have France abandon those poor girls to the islamists as it did with the sub-saharian girls. The only thing I regret is the lack the lack of strong sanctions against parents and instigators.
Posted by JFM  2004-11-02 3:01:53 PM||   2004-11-02 3:01:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 So W's going into Iraq has not really lessened cooperation between perfidious France and US intel services. I remember Mark Shields on Newshour flitting about how France would give some payback by witholding intel to the US since we did not follow Frog dictates on Iraq. Leftist/K boilerplate.

So here's what I think: We need to be ready to work with whomever on domestic/international terrorism, but don't listen to France, Egypt, KSA, Jordan, etc as they hand out advice on how to proceed militarily in Iraq and elsewhere.
Posted by chicago mike  2004-11-02 3:12:37 PM||   2004-11-02 3:12:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Thanks JFM, didn't realize that Sufism was dominant in Berberland.
Posted by Shipman 2004-11-02 4:18:43 PM||   2004-11-02 4:18:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Berber activist websites complain that the Algerian governemnt is doing its utmost to replace their suffi imams by wahabists. Wahabism strives for arabization of the local populations and this pleases the pan-arabist governemnt of Algeria
Posted by JFM  2004-11-02 4:53:27 PM||   2004-11-02 4:53:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 JFM:
I'm with lex; the anti-veil policy creates more problems than it solves by actually oppressing Muslims (and Jews, Christians, and Sikhs.... but that's another issue). I say don't give them anything to hang their burkas on.
Posted by Secret Master 2004-11-02 5:55:01 PM||   2004-11-02 5:55:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I'm with JFM on this. Also take away their welfare checks. Force them to keep a dog and pig in every home. Make it uncomfortable enough so the Islamists can't wait to go back home.
Posted by ed 2004-11-02 5:59:03 PM||   2004-11-02 5:59:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Secret master

Forgive me if I don't shed tears about those poor people not being allowed to oppress their women.

If these guys bwant to mutilate their women or force them to don veils they are free to do it as long as it is out of France. If they want to remain in France they would be better westernizing and fast. There is no place here for people who want to live in 8th century. BTW there was a French minister who told something similar, did I tell you he was Black and born Congolese.
Posted by JFM  2004-11-02 7:54:50 PM||   2004-11-02 7:54:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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