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2004-10-04 Israel-Palestine
Ya'alon: Gaza operation 'very successful' so far
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Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 12:00:37 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Heavy bulldozers have cleared foliage and demolished a number of houses in the camp...

Part of the IDF St. Pancake battalion.....
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-10-04 1:00:12 AM||   2004-10-04 1:00:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 ..to destroy and kill..destroy and kill..total wipe out
...
I say demolish and destroy everything in Gaza for 100 miles.

You are one bloodthirty motherf*cker. You sound like the Paleos. You trying to compete with them?
Posted by badanov  2004-10-04 1:22:01 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-10-04 1:22:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Poison Reverse, my dear, please stop and think before you answer this. I don't know if you realize, but with your calls for demolition and destruction, and "drive them into the sea", you are echoing literally the genocidal calls of the Arabs and Palestinians since the establishment of Israel in 1948.

Speaking to you as a Jew and the child of an Israeli (Daddy: Haganah 1948; Mama: Germany, Nazi era), if you truly believe what you are saying, we cannot be friends. If you are employing mere rhetorical emphasis, stop it! It isn't funny when there are real people who believe such shit.

Oh, and please let me know which is the case. I prefer to be clear on such things.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 8:07:33 AM||   2004-10-04 8:07:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Me third.

Are you just venting, PR, letting off a little steam in light of these tense times?

Or do you actually think exterminating an entire people is an appropriate action, simply because you are angry and frustrated?

If it's the former, I can understand; I'm frustrated too. But if it's the latter, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Which is it, PR???
Posted by Dave D. 2004-10-04 8:19:03 AM||   2004-10-04 8:19:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Someone say Drive Them Into the Sea?
Posted by Shamu 2004-10-04 9:20:22 AM||   2004-10-04 9:20:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 trailing wife,

Are you forgetting that the Paleo's want to drive Israel into the sea? You are Jewish, it is not my fault you are too blind to see a slowly churning extermination coming. The Christians put on the blinders during the Hitler era until they found too late that, now Hitler is coming after the Christians. End result, over 6 million Christians were killed. So get off my ass. You are Jewish, read the Torah, how many times did God get mad at the Israeli kings for not "completely" destroying the enemy that want to destroy the Jews. BTW, did you know that there is no such thing as the Palestinean people. They are remenants of Egyptians, Syrians, Jordaninans people that came to destroy Israel in the previous wars. Bottomline, if they don't want to driven into the sea, then they need to go back to the country of their origin or stop wanting to push Israel into the sea. Jews like you, Shimon Peres, Ehud Barak, and Yitzhak Rabin fail(ed)to see the "extermination" at your doorstep.

Dave D.

Nobody is talking about "exterminating and entire people" The Plaeo's are teaching their little children that Jews are monkeys and pigs. If the Mexicans were to come over here and set off some suicide bombs, there would be some serious retaliation going on.

badanov,

If destroying your enemy before they destroy you is considered "competing" then, call me a competitor.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 9:51:57 AM||   2004-10-04 9:51:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Back up, Poison Reverse, and re-read my post. I wrote, "your calls for ..."drive them into the sea"...echo[ing] literally the genocidal calls of the Arabs and Palestinians..." I have studied the Tanach (Torah+Prophets+Writings = "Old Testament")-- as well as MEMRI translations of Palestinian textbooks -- and God was generally more concerned with moral backsliding than completely destroying an enemy -- that had been pretty much reserved for the initial conquest of Canaan.

And anyway, I live now, not then. To the best of my knowledge the last scion of the House of David died in the middle of the first millenium A.D. in Babylon. Judaism has followed its own king- and priest-free curve of development, of which you are clearly unaware. But moral development has been a large part of it.

Historically, my dear man, most of those who call themselves Palestinians moved into the region following the migration of Jews from Europe starting in the mid 1900's... to take advantage of increasing economic opportunity created by Jewish entrepreneurial activity across the range of endeavor from modern agriculture to establishment of research and manufacturing. This is why they define 'Palestinian' as having been living in the land at least four years before the establishment of Israel in 1948.

Israel does not need to exterminate anyone in order to survive. The separation fence is accomplishing a great deal to reduce the effectiveness of terror efforts on the local level, and the changing situation in the region due to the War on Terror has already significantly reduced anything beyond [very loud]verbal support from the rest of the world. Israel is in no true danger of being eradicated, eliminated, exterminated, or pushed into the sea. While support for Israel is generally welcome, as DennisW wrote on another thread, your call for genocide is unwelcome to a people who survived their own Holocaust (if you want to know my personal history, you'll find part of it in the library of the Holocaust Museum in D.C.). If you feel so keenly that Israel needs help, go volunteer to join the Israeli army. That would do more than your ugly chickenhawk words.

You want me "off your ass"? Then stop talking like one.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 12:18:10 PM||   2004-10-04 12:18:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 trailing wife,

Did you read my respose to Dave D?

You know good and well that Gaza is full of Hamas and Hizbullah terrorists. You sound like a sympathizer.

I am not going to waste RB's bandwidth, arguing with your LEFT WING statements. You are highly educated, so you should know how the Jewish-friendly Romans in 70 A.D killed 500K to 1 million Jews and destroyed the Temple. You are already familiar with the Holocaust so I don't need to discuss how many Jews died by the hands of the Jewish-friendly Germans.

I disagree with your history of the Palestinian people. IN FACT, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!!! There is no such thing as Paleos. They are nothing but displaced, opportunist, Jew hating Arabs.
You 're highly edumacated, click on this link, you may learn something..**warning** there is a Bible quote at the end of the article
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 2:31:48 PM||   2004-10-04 2:31:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Poison Reverse:

Just a guess: Will Rogers never met you, did he?
Posted by badanov  2004-10-04 2:44:29 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-10-04 2:44:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 ROTFLMAO!!!
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-10-04 2:48:19 PM||   2004-10-04 2:48:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 LOL...
Posted by Dave D. 2004-10-04 2:54:11 PM||   2004-10-04 2:54:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 PR - that's pretty harsh....when you hear me saying that, it may be time to rethink....
Posted by Frank G  2004-10-04 3:09:15 PM||   2004-10-04 3:09:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Comment: Golly, PR, Bible quotes! Ooooh!

You are right, though, I am pretty highly educated. Long-standing family tradition. Actually, I'm the only one of my immediate relatives not employed in academia, 'cause I'm too lazy to get any actual degrees. I throw a darn good multilingual dinner party though, wherever it is that my husband's job takes the family.

I do know that the world Jewish population today is about the same as it was just before the Romans got busy in 70 A.D., and the Christians carried on the tradition, followed later by the Muslims. This despite higher than normal child survival rates. But it is awf'ly kind of you to oh so condescendingly inform me about my own history.

You disagree with my history of the 'Palestinians', do you? Strangely enough, your link supports all my points. Hmmm. And, gosh, you think that therefore I am a LEFT WING Hamas/Hizbollah supporter? Seriously, I think you could use a little formal edumacation yourself. Or at least go back to lurking until you've learned enough to sound less the ignoramous.

Yours most sincerely,
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 3:13:41 PM||   2004-10-04 3:13:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 "Seriously, I think you could use a little formal edumacation yourself."

I think what he actually needs is lithium. LOTS of it.
Posted by Dave D. 2004-10-04 3:16:20 PM||   2004-10-04 3:16:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Whoops! That first line should have started Golly, PR, Bible quotes! Ooooh! I'm not sure where "Comment" came from.

Badanov, Mrs. Davis, Dave D., Frank G., thanks for your kind support. But please, it isn't nice to laugh at others. We seek merely to educate and together find the truth hiding out there in the big bad world, do we not?
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 3:25:37 PM||   2004-10-04 3:25:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 trailing wife,

Strangely enough, your link supports all my points

The link does NOT support your points.
Small nuggets from the link:

"If the massive increase was not due to natural births, then were did all these Arabs come from?
All the evidence points to the neighboring Arab states of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan."

"Not only pre-state Arabs lied about being indigenous. Even today, many prominent so-called Palestinians, it turns out, are foreign born. Edward Said, an Ivy League Professor of Literature and a major Palestinian propagandist, long claimed to have been raised in Jerusalem. However, in an article in the September 1999 issue of Commentary Magazine Justus Reid Weiner revealed that Said actually grew up in Cairo, Egypt, a fact which Said himself was later forced to admit. But why bother with Said? PLO chief Yasir Arafat himself, self declared "leader of the Palestinian people", has always claimed to have been born and raised in "Palestine". In fact, according to his official biographer Richard Hart, as well as the BBC, Arafat was born in Cairo on August 24, 1929 and that's where he grew up."

"The term "Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history."

"If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question becomes "Why?" Why invent a fictitious people? The answer is that the myth of the Palestinian People serves as the justification for Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs already possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size of the Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. They therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and only country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, many people ignorant of the history of the region, including much of the world media, are only too willing to help."

Everyone else,
Before handing out rhetoric and prescriptions, read the link
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 3:33:11 PM||   2004-10-04 3:33:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Its clear to me that large numbers of arabs migrated to Palestine in the 19thc. This does NOT contradict the fact that many Arabs were there pre-1900. They have some group rights, even if those rights should (IMHO) be subordinate to Israel's rights to security.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-10-04 3:38:50 PM||   2004-10-04 3:38:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 My post #7: Historically, my dear man, most of those who call themselves Palestinians moved into the region following the migration of Jews from Europe starting in the mid 1900's... to take advantage of increasing economic opportunity created by Jewish entrepreneurial activity across the range of endeavor from modern agriculture to establishment of research and manufacturing. This is why they define 'Palestinian' as having been living in the land at least four years before the establishment of Israel in 1948.

So, let's see:

moved into the region...starting mid-1900's

take advantage of increasing economic opportunity

define 'Palestinian' as having been living in the land at least four years

Yup, I'd say that your link and my post are kinda sorta,like y'know,in total agreement. In other words, I fail to see the contradiction.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 3:40:09 PM||   2004-10-04 3:40:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 We seek merely to educate and together find the truth hiding out there in the big bad world, do we not?

Agreed, that that is what we seek to do, and have a little fun. Do you believe that is PR's intention also? I am hesitant to divine the intentions of others, my own having been misinterpreted so often in the past. But his behavior, in this and other threads leads me to doubt whether we share that common quest. So, when badanov comes up with a line I should have heard decades ago, after having just read #8, I did burst out in laughter, though rolling on the floor may have been an exageration.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-10-04 4:02:53 PM||   2004-10-04 4:02:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Actually, Mrs. D., on reviewing the thread, I am coming to wonder if Poison Reverse isn't the first Israel-loving anti-semite I've ever met.

You notice how he steadfastly refuses to accept that I, as a Jew, might actually know what I am talking about, or that my opinion on how Israel should behave with regard to the Arab population within the borders of the 1967 conquest could possibly have any validity when compared to his?

Certainly he is rude, prone to unsupported insults (me a LEFT WING-er! Just last Sunday I was accused of being a Republican), and unwilling or incapable of critical thinking. (Don't know which. Maybe he just doesn't like me.)

At any rate, while he may (or may not, I'm not qualified to judge) know a great deal about computers, he clearly is a bit lacking when it comes to actual human beans.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 4:16:12 PM||   2004-10-04 4:16:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 trailing wife,

Stop truncating quotes to suit you needs. Anyone who reads the entire link will agree with me.

Also, have you ever seen the map of Israel posted behind AraFART's (Center for Eliminating Israel) home office. You will notice that the word Israel is no where to be found on the map.

LH writes:"They have some group rights, even if those rights should (IMHO) be subordinate to Israel's rights to security."

This is my (original) point, exactly. Thank you. Finally, somebody with some common sense.

If the fake "Plaeos" want to live peacefully with Israel, then go for it. If they want to harm Israel, then wipe them out of Gaza.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 4:17:38 PM||   2004-10-04 4:17:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 So now I can't even quote myself. Okie dokie.

Yes, I am familiar with Arafat's map. It is the front of every textbook issued to Palestinian schoolchildren, as well as throughout the Arab world. They also learn that Tel Aviv and Haifa are Palestinian cities, that the Jews have no historic connection to the land of Israel, especially Jerusalem and the Temple Mount rebuilt by King Herod the Great. After which Herod built Masada out in the Judean desert, where the final Jewish resistance against the Romans held out for three years.

If you are trying to teach me that the Palestinians led by Cairo-born Yasser Arafat, the nephew of Hitler's favorite Arab, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, are the enemies of Israel and the Jews, I'm afraid that isn't news -- to me or to any other long-time Rantburger.

PR: in chronological order, Badanov disagreed with you, Dave D. disagreed with you, Mrs. Davis and Dave D. laughed at you, Frank G. disagreed with you, LiberalHawk suggested the people living in the Territories have some human rights (which, knowing him means he thinks they shouldn't all be driven into the sea), and Mrs. Davis doubts your good intentions. I do not think you are doing as well as you think.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 4:46:05 PM||   2004-10-04 4:46:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 DIsclaimer: I didnt' read at the link.

My view is that perpetrators of genocide are very rarely victors in war. See the Turks, the Germans, and Khmer Rouge. It doesn't work in that it doesn't engender any kind of gain for the perpetrators.

And I have a little military theory about ground troops and genocide: For all the effort and expense of training a military force; the first time that force is deployed to attack and fire on non-combatants as a matter of command policy, you may as well muster those troops out for good, for their combat efficiency both as a unit and as individual soldiers is gone forever. It doesn't work. Israelis know this from being the brunt of genocide and Americans know this, because frankly we still believe in truth justice and the American way. And the American way isn't genocide.

The Israelis and the US neither one are barbarians. Politically, and this goes across the political spectrum,. no one wants to 'exterminate' anyone if a victory can be achieved through military means. If extermination appears to be the answer then maybe it is time to examine the question.

PR: Your advocacy of 'extermination' is way over the top. The Israelis and Americans both have principls chief amounst them is the right to live. That right extends to everyone, unless they seek to kill. That is where the Israeli are: disuading terroists from carrying out acts of genocide.

And remember, the genocide that Hamas is carrying out is with their people as well as the Israelis.

Principles do matter. Were the Israelis and Americans to embrace the ideal that extermination is the only way to deal with Islamic terrorism I am not so certain that our subsequent acts are in line with those principles.

Clearly the IDF's doctrine is to prevent attacks where they can, respond to attacks where they must above all minimizing non-comtants' deaths. That is not just a laudible, it is their practice, and it is very well working. And that practice is worth preserving just as our own lives are.
Posted by badanov  2004-10-04 4:48:25 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-10-04 4:48:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 TW,

I think you are starting to understand why they say don't feed the trolls. I wouldn't yet put PR in that category, but I don't feed him either.

You seem like a very intelligent, charming, and probably beautiful, woman. You also seem a bit indulgent of odd personalities. As you may be aware my husband, Mr. Davis, was identified by this site as a troll. I have been trying to find him since he left me shortly thereafter. You don't know his whereabouts by any chance?
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-10-04 5:44:16 PM||   2004-10-04 5:44:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 I'm afraid I'm a very sheltered idealist, Mrs. D. I keep thinking its just ignorance...and then he is the first of his type that I've ever met -- I haven't your wisdom and experience. Of course, as I seem to recall from Mama's work with the mentally retarded (really!) "educable" technically means at least an 80 I.Q., the next step up from trainable, where one can be taught to sort widgets into bags -- and wipe one's bottom after toileting.

As for the rest of your statement: *rosy blush, shy gaze downward* If I weren't happily married, and we weren't both female...

I've long wondered if someone stole your Mr. Davis's identity, and whether he was overcome with shame that trollery could be believed of him. Up until he became a troll I thought him such a charming and knowledgeable gentleman, and you lucky to have him. I haven't seen him, I'm afraid, but if perchance I do, I shall feed him well and send him back to you post haste. Happy marriages are all too rare, alas. Just a thought: Is it possible he is hiding out under another name, hoping for a sign that we know the truth, and want him to come back to us? If so, let me be the first to say, "Come back, real Mr. D. We miss you!"
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 7:15:07 PM||   2004-10-04 7:15:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 One quick thing before my last thread, you know, me being a troll and a moonbat, etc.

TW writes:Israel-loving anti-semite I've ever met

If you are calling me a Israel-loving anti-semite, then do I have the right to call you a Semite loving anti-Israeli?

At the end of the day, you are not going to convince me and I am not going to convince you. Save the troll card for someone else. If you haven't figured out that I am not a troll by now, then I don't know what to tell you.

If the definition of troll is to purposely anger someone in a blog, then we are ALL guilty. I made you angry and you made me angry in this thread. End of story
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 7:34:27 PM||   2004-10-04 7:34:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 No, you don't, PR, 'cause it ain't true. Nor did you make me angry. Were you trying to? More than a little puzzled, yes. But not angry.
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 7:41:30 PM||   2004-10-04 7:41:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Kamel Prophet. Banned from LGF.
Posted by Singh Ho 2004-10-04 7:53:50 PM||   2004-10-04 7:53:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 I beg your pardon, Singh Ho. Are you saying that Poison Reverse is the same person as Kamel Prophet, who was banned from Little Green Footballs?
Posted by trailing wife 2004-10-04 7:58:24 PM||   2004-10-04 7:58:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 TW, hang aropund RB for a few more weks and you'll be cured of that blushing problem.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-10-04 8:35:44 PM||   2004-10-04 8:35:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Who is Kamel Prophet?
If this is a joke by Singh Ho, I don't get it.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 10:01:28 PM||   2004-10-04 10:01:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 TW,
I wasn't trying to make anyone angry.
If the Paleos don't stop firing those rockets, very harsh steps need to be taken. We can't have Israeli pre-schoolers dying every week.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 10:07:53 PM||   2004-10-04 10:07:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 If the Paleos don't stop firing those rockets, very harsh steps need to be taken. We can't have Israeli pre-schoolers dying every week

Well, we're making progress. This morning we were at extermination, now we are at very harsh steps.

;o)
Posted by badanov  2004-10-04 10:19:09 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-10-04 10:19:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 PR - nobody here will deny the Paleos have it coming, but as has been noted above - resorting to their wanton death cult level of hatred is self-destructive for the Jews. The Israelis need to distribute periodic measured smack-downs and lessons taught to those Paleos (and I'm sure there are some) who can learn cause/effect.
Posted by Frank G  2004-10-04 10:23:05 PM||   2004-10-04 10:23:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 badanov,

I still stand by my words, but I will stand down and go with measured, for now. But the reality is, Hamas is getting more and more defiant, one day Israel will have no choice but to rinse & repeat.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-10-04 10:35:20 PM||   2004-10-04 10:35:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 The doctrine of "minimum force" guys. Clear an area wide enough to put the launchers out of range. No need to get medieval on their asses...
Posted by mojo  2004-10-04 10:35:31 PM||   2004-10-04 10:35:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 No need to get medieval on their asses...

wellllllll.... not this time, and at the time of Israel's choosing, it will be.
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