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2004-09-04 
Lessons from Beslan
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Posted by Fred 2004-09-04 4:41:46 PM|| || Front Page|| [11 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Basayev's hometown? Make it the new glow-worm of the Russian confederation
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-04 5:59:32 PM||   2004-09-04 5:59:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 as I've bleated here so often, until the costs of jihad are brought home to the financial and religious arms (hmmm, Arabia fits that bill) there will be no peace. Mullahs dead, princes dead and moskkks in radioactive ruin will explain the costs to these asshats. I'm not in a "live and let live" mood. Kill them and take the oil if that's what it comes down to
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-04 6:03:26 PM||   2004-09-04 6:03:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Since the Iranians want a nuclear power plant so much, perhaps the Chechens do also. Putin should oblige them. I'm sure blueprints of Chernobyl are still around somewhere in Russia.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-04 6:08:35 PM||   2004-09-04 6:08:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I never thought that one day I'd be rooting for the Red Army. We live in interesting times.
Posted by Matt 2004-09-04 6:28:11 PM||   2004-09-04 6:28:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Agree with Fred and Matt.

I am coming to the conclusion that there are 2 kinds of muslims: those that abhor and will fight against jihad; and, those that do not. Any and every muslim that do not are the enemy. An enemy that must be fought to the death.

It does not matter why a muslim will not fight against jihad. By proxy, they are aiding and abetting the enemy. An enemy that will eventually kill every "infidel".

I am not an advocate of a scorched earth. But there is coming a day when islam will be faced with cleansing the islamic toilet of the human excrement or the western world will do it for them. And they will not be nearly as surgical.
Posted by anymouse  2004-09-04 7:10:06 PM||   2004-09-04 7:10:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 There is an op-ed piece in the Moscow Times online that talks of the ordinary russian talking about instituting the policies of Gen. Yermolov, who was the Tsarist general who conquered Chenchenya. He held the tribes collectively responsible for the deeds of the tribes members. The Op-ed says it is time that this is discussed in the government or there may be a new government. The Times is usually pretty liberal, but I think that it is now reverting to being russian. Yulia Latinya a real out spoken columnist is now professing herself as an imperialist and saying that Russia should reclaim its old borders. Don't know what she considers 'old'. I think that in the next few months-two years we are going to hear about a really pissed off bear shitting in the woods. Definitely there will be a harder line taking by Putin or it is going be bye-bye Vladimir.
Posted by Old Fogey  2004-09-04 10:51:40 PM||   2004-09-04 10:51:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 I met a 20 yr old Russian from a town about 100 miles from the Chechen border 2 yrs ago. He was a college student on a 6 mo visa in the US and he had no intention of going back. Military service was mandatory in his area for any male after secondary school. A postponement is given for those able to go to college but, after school, its marching time. Bootcamp lasts 8 weeks and then into the fire you go. He said many of his friends had already come back in boxes. If Putin is serious, he needs to send real soldiers instead of 18 yr old kids to fight seasoned veterans. Hopefully this is a wakeup call.
Posted by BombIranNow 2004-09-04 11:30:38 PM||   2004-09-04 11:30:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 What BIN said. The root cause of the Chechen mess is the total incompetence, demoralization and corruption of the Russian military, incl Spetsnaz. Were they halfway professional and organized, the rebellion would have been put down ten years ago.
Posted by lex 2004-09-04 11:34:52 PM||   2004-09-04 11:34:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Don't know that pointing to the Russian military as the "root cause" is correct--isn't it really IslamoFacisct terrorists that are the root cause?
OBL and his deputies like Basayev militarized and radicalized AQ and its branches starting in the early 1990's.
They'd like a little payback for Russia's invasion of Afghanistan.
And they're more convinced in Russia's case than they were of ours that Russia is a "paper tiger."
Chechnya is another node of the cancer that we now know as Islamist jihad by terror and murder to be added to the others of Kashmir, Kosovo, Iraq, Thailand, Nepal, the Philippines, Basque Spain, Indonesia, etc., etc., etc. and Paleostine (and maybe Tri-borders in South America).
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-09-07 6:51:44 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-09-07 6:51:44 PM|| Front Page Top

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