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2004-07-07 Home Front: WoT

CAIR Asks All Muslims to Sign Petition Denouncing Terrorism

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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-07-07 12:11:15 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Lol! PR at its finest. CAIR must be worried about their Anti-CAIR lawsuit and the evidence accumulated. Wow. What a trip. 3 years late and about as believable as, well, all those previous PR attempts which don't amount to fuck-all in the real world.

Posted by .com 2004-07-07 12:25:04 AM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/baby-finger.jpg] 2004-07-07 12:25:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 this in good news! i am feel much safer now.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-07-07 12:35:29 AM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-07-07 12:35:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 hey, lets give them a break. Despite having endured Hussein Ibish's tirades at my college, I honestly hope that they are starting to see the truth and are making an honest effort to stand against terrorism. Let us assume the best and stand behind them. For there, we can support them if they are good, and knive them in the back if they are not :)

Posted by Brutus 2004-07-07 12:39:39 AM|| 2004-07-07 12:39:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Et tu Brute? Your post indicates a fine and noble sentiment, bravo!, not to mention excellent planning skills!

Posted by .com 2004-07-07 12:46:04 AM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/baby-finger.jpg] 2004-07-07 12:46:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Lookie here...while Muslim Americans sign petitions against terrorism on July 05, however on July 06 the same anti-terroist Muslims say they will not vote for Bush, the president whose platform is the WOT...duplitious perfidy!...and why are we not surprised?
https://www.cair-net.org/asp/article.asp?id=33918&page=NB
I got to wondering what Muslim-Americans think about this year's presidential election, especially given that so much has happened over the last four years. 9-11. Iraq. The Mideast. The Patriot Act. So I sat down with 11 North Texas members of this key religious swing group, and here's what I learned...Participant after participant lambasted the way America's seen in the world, particularly in Muslim countries. Then there's the Patriot Act. And the roundup of Muslims after 9-11. Both are far from forgotten. After an hour of listening, it was no surprise to learn very few of these registered voters plan to support the president...their preferences track an April Zogby poll in the four states with the greatest Muslim populations.

Posted by Allahlhatesthe infidels 2004-07-07 3:24:35 AM|| 2004-07-07 3:24:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 " "He needs a public campaign against prejudice
against Islam," declared Uzma Feroze, a North Texan now living with her
children and husband in Dubai."
2 observations here:1)Uzma,you should inform your partners in crime that suppoting terrorist thugs tends to cause people to distrust and vilify Muslems.As an example not all members of the Bloods or Cripes are gang bangers,never the less I wouldnt trust any of them.
2)If this Jurno interviewed her and her family in Teaxas and they are now in Dubai,they must have beat feet in a hurry.

Posted by Raptor 2004-07-07 7:38:30 AM|| 2004-07-07 7:38:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty

of course as the fine print footnote upside down in ultraviolet says, "killing infidels, especially Jews, is by definition not terror, murder or cruelty"

Posted by mhw 2004-07-07 8:51:10 AM|| 2004-07-07 8:51:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 "He needs a public campaign against prejudice against Islam,"

No. The US needs a public campaign to translate the Mosque sermons, Arabic news reports and public statements and broadcast it to the American public so they can realize the lies, blood libel and call for terrorism and murder that is spewed out each day. The US desperately needs a TV show to expose and understand the vile hateful call to murder that is spewed out across the Arab lands each day. Hell, expand the expose to other countries media and public figures, and you can have enough programming to fill a network 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. I predict a ratings bonanza.

Posted by ed 2004-07-07 9:21:29 AM|| 2004-07-07 9:21:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Just don't read the fine print:

No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people...

innocent = Muslim

Posted by BH 2004-07-07 9:48:44 AM|| 2004-07-07 9:48:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 This reminds me of those âDrug Freeâ and âGun Freeâ in neighborhoods that are anything but. When I start to read stories of Muslims identifying bad guys, then I will believe this crap. I also agree with BH that they only see Muslim as the innocent everyone else is fair game.

Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2004-07-07 10:30:08 AM|| 2004-07-07 10:30:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Number 1, I don't believe you, and Number 2, you are 2.75 years too late. Shut your yap, CAIR.

Posted by Chris W. 2004-07-07 11:24:44 AM|| 2004-07-07 11:24:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Chris W - "Number 1, I don't believe you"

Huh, WTF? 'splain it to me, K? Real slow.

Posted by .com 2004-07-07 11:29:08 AM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/baby-finger.jpg] 2004-07-07 11:29:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 When I start to read stories of Muslims identifying bad guys, then I will believe this crap.

FBI Announcement: Terrorist Abdullah bin Hussien, has been arrested, after having been fingered to the FBI by his cousin, Ahmed bin Hussein. Now that we've announced that in public, ahmed will enter the witness protection program, at considerable cost to taxpayers, and disruption to his life. However we did that, cause, like there are some guys out there who need proof that at least SOME American muslims REALLY mean theyre against terrorism. And its so important to us provide such proof that we'll blow our informants, and waste govt money to do so. Otherwise these guys might - i dont know - post something nasty to the internet.

John Ashcroft to FBI director - You did WHAT????!!!!!

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-07 11:41:57 AM|| 2004-07-07 11:41:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Number 2, you are 2.75 years too late

Back in Greece there's the saying "Better late than never".

Shut your yap, CAIR

All of you are going to have to decide whether you want Muslims to speak out against terrorism or whether you don't.

Chris, you chose "I don't". If a muslim had said the same (that CAIR should shut its yap and not condemn terrorism in this way), what would you think of him?

the same anti-terroist Muslims say they will not vote for Bush

So? They must not only be anti-terror, they must also collectively turn Republican in order for you to accept them?

No matter how y'all try to present it, this petition is a step forward.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-07-07 11:43:46 AM|| 2004-07-07 11:43:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 .com

Shit. No I didn't mean comment Number 1 and comment Number 2. I was just using (number 1 and number 2) as a figure of speech.

I agree with you 94.887% of the time, .com. Don't worry.

Posted by Chris W. 2004-07-07 11:45:43 AM|| 2004-07-07 11:45:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Chris W - Threw me for a loop! Cool runnings, bro!

Posted by .com 2004-07-07 11:48:32 AM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/crack_chipmonk.jpg] 2004-07-07 11:48:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Aris

"Back in Greece" eh? I will withold judgement of the fine philosophical Greek outlook on terrorism until after the Athens Olympics.

"A step forward". You are correct. However, this is after nearly three years of obfuscating every attempt to get to the truth of the HOLY WAR the terrorists are waging against us while CAIR makes endless excuses for them and claims that any arrests or prosecution of those belonging to the Muslim faith are "unjustified" at best and "racist" at worst.

CAIR has consistently been one of the worst offenders when it comes to ascribing motives to law enforcement that just aren't there, and for being in the front lines against any measure that defends this nation from future Islamic terrorist attacks. These scum cavort with the enemy for years and you expect me to slobber all over them when they CLAIM to turn over a new leaf? Please.

Posted by Chris W. 2004-07-07 12:17:26 PM|| 2004-07-07 12:17:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 LH, You know what I am talking about. Not just one guy turning in his cousin. If this was a Baptists, Catholic, or Jewish fundamentalists problem the clergy and the congregation would be LOUDLY against this action. Case in point would be the idiots bombing abortion clinics and shooting doctors. This was WIDELY denounced by the Christian community from the top down. What we hear from CAIR and their ilk is that we should understand the root causes of Muslim anger and that itâs because the JOOOOOOSSSSS live in the Middle East. Itâs time for the Muslim community to decide whose side they are on. If they remain silent or give quasi acceptance then they deserve whatever backlash that comes their way. Personally I think the round up of suspect Muslim males a very responsible move on the part of the FBI. I would also have felt that way if Irish Catholics or Protestant Germans had been responsible for 9/11 and that group had been targeted by the FBI.

Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2004-07-07 12:39:40 PM|| 2004-07-07 12:39:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Was your comment (#10) only aimed at CAIR? Look, Ive got problems with CAIR too. But there are plenty of American muslims who HAVE been denouncing terrorism since 9/11. And there are plenty who have been doing things from joining the US military or serving CIA and NSA as translators to informing.

Now I happen to agree with you that the post 9/11 detentions made sense, and I understand that most American Muslims disagree. But not everyone who disagrees with a particular policy is pro-terror.

Oh, and by the way, I was in an Orthodox synagogue a few weeks after the Rabin was assasinated by someone who happened to be an Orthdox Jew. The topic of the sermon? "Secular Israelis are discriminating against the Orthodox" - a story of an Israeli busdriver refusing to let an Orthodox Jew on the bus - the moral - the Orthodox have rights too. Self-pity is widespread in this world Im afraid. And the tendency to circle the wagons.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-07 12:50:52 PM|| 2004-07-07 12:50:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 To little to late,Aris and LH.Until I start hearing CAIR,ISA,etc condemning terrorist at the top of thier lungs.When I start seeing Muslems start pointing fingers and nameing names then I might accept a petition at face value.Thier silence in the face of Islamic terrorisam,covert and overt suport has squandered any good will I had for these orginazations.This petition is just a bunch of hog wash.

Posted by Raptor 2004-07-07 1:43:40 PM|| 2004-07-07 1:43:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 The US needs a public campaign to translate the Mosque sermons, Arabic news reports and public statements and broadcast it to the American public so they can realize the lies, blood libel and call for terrorism and murder that is spewed out each day.

I agree, ed. Information is king and America needs an earful of exactly what sort of bilious crap is spattered about all through the Muslim community.

As to CAIR, only one saying comes to mind:

A day late and a dollar short.

Yes, it's a good thing for them to have done. No, it is not persuasive nor effective because this statement is almost three years too late. CAIR's statement smacks of remediation instead of properly active engagement.

Any Islamic organization currently toying with damage control is a few kebabs short of a Ramadan feast. The time for such protestations is well past. What's called for now is active participation in the abatement of militant jihadists and a purge of Islamists from their ranks.

Anything less will effectively seal the doom of all Muslims. Time is running out for those who pretend to wish against terrorism while neglecting to take productive measures in thwarting it. If peaceful reform and change does not come from within it will be visited upon Islam from without, most likely in a very violent form.

Posted by Zenster 2004-07-07 1:46:56 PM|| 2004-07-07 1:46:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 No matter how y'all try to present it, this petition is a step forward.

Not if CAIR has to urge their constituents to sign it. If they really eschewed the use of terrorism, such efforts would have been embraced without a need to solicit participation, and would not have waited until this late date to happen.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-07-07 1:59:15 PM|| 2004-07-07 1:59:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 The petition is a great idea, notwithstanding the nature of CAIR. The petition will need to be signed by LOTS AND LOTS of Muslim bigwigs, and its signing will have to be accompanied by a number of other positive actions to convince us that Islam is a religion seeking peaceful coexistence with the rest of the world. Our trust in Islam's peaceful intent has been squandered and will need to be earned back.

When we see the top Muslim authority in EVERY COUNTRY in the world insisting to his flock that THERE ARE MUSLIM TERRORISTS in the world tearing apart the faith, then we have a fledgling hope. If you say you are against terrorism but you cheer, hide, fund, or abet terrorists, this petition will rightfully end up in a pile of ridicule and the consequences to Islam will be deserved. And the petition doesn't even touch sharia or anti-Semitism, which will never be tolerated by the West. The petition is only one step, but a necessary step for reconciling the Muslim faithful with the rest of humanity.

To LH-I disagree about the assertion that "plenty of Muslims" denounce terrorism; it certainly doesn't match my experience. My line of work involves contact with people of every faith and country; most of the Muslims I have encountered will not say a word against jihadis, Osama, etc. Any criticism about terror is immediately disqualified with "the reasons why they did it" sermon. Self-examination and self-critique are still wanting in Islam.

Posted by jules 187 2004-07-07 2:03:38 PM|| 2004-07-07 2:03:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 There are a number of Moslems who have provided translation services, information services, etc. to the FBI and CIA.

Many of them are secular Moslems who desperately fear their jihadist coreligionists. A lot of them require anonymity. However, I don't think even in the US, that the secular Moslems represent the majority of Moslems.

Even in the US, there are many hard core jihadists. Some are sophisticated enough to say that they oppose terrorism but consider killing anyone who they don't like as self defense of the Umma (most of CAIR members would be in this class). Some, however are hard core and openly support terrorism.

Does anyone seriously think that even 5% of Moslem Americans will sign the CAIR petition?

Does anyone think even 20% of American Imans will sign it?

Posted by mhw 2004-07-07 4:36:33 PM|| 2004-07-07 4:36:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 as a practical matter getting thousands of people to sign ANY Petition is hard work. Do you think we could get 5% of the American Jewish population to sign a petition for the survival of Israel? I mean we could, but it would be a huge organizational effort. We probably call a much higher percentage for the UJA campaign, but that takes massive resources, professionals, volunteers, phone banks, etc and its taken years of learning to get to that point. So if they cant get 5% to sign that wouldnt prove anything - just they cant put organize well enough to put it in front of everyone (and quite frankly, among friends here, im not unhappy that CAIR isnt as well organized as the American Jewish community)

You could go by polls, but as mhw says, its not hard to lie to a pollster. Hell its not hard to lie to acquantainces, is it? I dont think we're ever gonna prove anything one way or the other, at least not to everyones satisfaction.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-07 4:42:13 PM|| 2004-07-07 4:42:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 You're right about the impracticality of getting all Muslims to sign. But perhaps that isn't the final goal anyway; the petition might have more meaning if the mosque leaders would do it. As far as worshippers of any religion go, doesn't the instruction for approved behavior come from on high?

Posted by jules 187 2004-07-07 5:23:20 PM|| 2004-07-07 5:23:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 LH

Within a week or two after the murder of Rabin you could have gotten 98% of all Rabbis to sign a statement saying that the murder was a sin.

Organizing the laity would, as you say, be more trouble but if all the 98% of rabbis had asked their congregation to sign, you could have gotten at least 50% of all Jews to sign it.

The point as bomb a rama might say is that this didn't need to be done. The whole kahal instantaneously denounced it sincerely and completely without weasel words.

Posted by mhw 2004-07-07 6:56:45 PM|| 2004-07-07 6:56:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Of course signing does imply writing.

Posted by Shipman 2004-07-07 7:54:50 PM|| 2004-07-07 7:54:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Of course signing does imply writing.

Now, that was uncalled for, Shipman. Witty as H-E-Double Toothpicks, but still a bit nasty.

Posted by Zenster 2004-07-07 11:54:38 PM|| 2004-07-07 11:54:38 PM|| Front Page Top

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