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2004-07-06 Arabia

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Posted by Lucky 2004-07-06 1:23:30 AM|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The link is bad on this one. Who wrote this??

Posted by peggy 2004-07-06 9:21:42 AM|| 2004-07-06 9:21:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Sorry, it was Victor Mordecai via michaelmedved.com

Posted by Lucky 2004-07-06 12:12:22 PM|| 2004-07-06 12:12:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 goy is simply Hebrew for nation. Since Israel is always called an "am" (people) in the bible, not a nation, goyim (nations) implicitly means non-Jews - everybody else. At some point in folk usage it came to mean non-Jews as invididuals - theres nothing necessarily derogatory about it, except as any term used by a minority for a (sometime oppressive) majority tends to take on negative connotations.

Theres certainly no particular basis in Jewish law for a distinction between pagans on the one hand, and christians on the other. In fact those medieval Jewishlegal authorities who wasy a distinction between the "daughter" religions and paganism tended to see monotheistic Islam as closer than Christianity, though I think this cant be considered settled law.

In more modern times theres been a greater tendency to see a special relationship between Judaism and Christianity - notably the work of Frans Rosenzweig - though im quite sure FR doesnt class Islam with paganism.

So basically the above is bunk. But you could have figured that out yourself, no?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-06 12:23:13 PM|| 2004-07-06 12:23:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 to be truthful, LH, the word goyim was probably meant as derogatory at least 90% of the time it was used n conversation at least unitl the past few years

I think it is now a word in transition and it frequently has a neutral meaning.

Posted by mhw 2004-07-06 1:06:55 PM|| 2004-07-06 1:06:55 PM|| Front Page Top

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