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2004-06-28 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by ed 2004-06-28 4:38:40 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Bill Clinton is one of America's greatest Presidents. He presided over the largest boom in the American economy (and longest) in this country's history. He cut the deficit during his Presidency which has unfortunately taken a reversal during the Bush administration. In the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act he taxed the wealthy while giving tax cuts to everyone else. He survived countless fruitless attacks and 'scandels' trying to stain his reputation. The best the Republicans in congress could do after spending $70 million on investigating him was to say he had consensual sex with a girl he wasn't married to and lied about it, his only lie in the Presidency. Yet Bush has made many more lies: "There is no doubt that Iraq possess biological and chemical weapons", "The vast majority of my tax cuts will go to the bottom half", "Iraq bought chemical weapons from Africa", to name just a few. Clinton increased the number of police officers and decreased the amount of crime. He also decreased the amount of teenagers who were using drugs. Clinton faced the crisis of Waco with resolve and toughness, rooting out those dangerous people. He prevented many terrorist attacks at home like in the 2000 millenium bomb plot by al-Qaeda. He increased the amount of terrorist funding to combat al-Qaeda and his aide warned Condoleezza Rice that her #1 priority had to be al-Qaeda. Clinton's actions created 20 million new jobs and dramatically decreased the gap between the rich and the poor. He brought millions of Americans out of poverty. Clinton increased the minimum wage three times. Bill Clinton was a man of the people and truly the greatest President since FDR.

Posted by Trollman 2004-06-28 12:43:56 PM|| [www.americanprogress.org/ emedia.org] 2004-06-28 12:43:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Get paid by the DNC for seminar posting, Trollman?
Clintoon was just about the worst prez we've ever had--worse than Carter (and that was bad) and really worse than Ulysses Grant--whereas President Bush is one of our greatest, along with Ronaldus Magnus.
Clintoon was the biggest Communist since FDR, although Carter again runs a close second.
Actually, the last great Dimocrat President was Harry Truman, but you're too ignorant to know that.
And this post on the Horned Dog is hilarious!

Posted by Jen 2004-06-28 12:49:01 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-06-28 12:49:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 trollboy - ya gotta close the tags with (/sarcasm).... somebody might think you believe that crap...

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-28 12:56:20 PM|| 2004-06-28 12:56:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Actually, while Carter had the worst luck during his presidency and was pretty ineffective in world matters, his actions after leaving the office show a man of much greater character than Clinton.

Carter may not be remembered as a great president in future history books, but I think he has a shot as a great statesman.

Posted by Trub 2004-06-28 1:15:19 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:15:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Carter may not be remembered as a great president in future history books, but I think he has a shot as a great statesman.

Particularly in North Korean textbooks.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-28 1:18:58 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-28 1:18:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I'm talking more about his efforts with international aid agencies, in fostering programs to assist in the creation of housing and infrastracture in third-world countries.

As to your reference, I plead ignorance and cannot comment.

Posted by Trub 2004-06-28 1:24:36 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:24:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 yeah, right, Trub--all of them Communist and/or with Socialist and Marxist leaders.

Posted by Jen 2004-06-28 1:26:08 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-06-28 1:26:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 He may have done a lot of admirable work, and I have my suspicions that he may have the best of motives in his heart, but they don't always come out quite right. I definitely think he has more character than Clinton - but if he does end up with Communist organizations sometimes, I definitely have to feel sorry for him. Yet I don't think we could call him a "statesman." It's been a while since I took a look at such definitions, but doesn't that only apply to someone with some official state capacity? I don't think an "ex-President" counts in that area . . .

Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-28 1:30:12 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:30:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Jimmy should remember that long-standing tradition of past Presidents shutting the fuck up, especially failed presidents. His chirping and siding with our enemies causes the US unnecessary problems.

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-28 1:35:05 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:35:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 I don't think he wants to be called a statesman just yet, since I think the qualification for the title is you have to be dead. :}

I would certainly put him in the "Liberal do-gooder" part of the graph (as opposed to the "Liberal butt-inski" part).

But in any case, I had no chance to vote for or against him, since I was not of age in 80. I can't even remember how I would have gone back then had I been able, but I suspect it would have been Reagan due to Carter's poor performance to date.

Posted by Trub 2004-06-28 1:36:42 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:36:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I suppose that alone would disqualify him as a statesman, Frank. I speak of his apparent interest in helping the lives of the poor and such, not of his political statements. There, he's just as inefficient as ever.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-28 1:37:43 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:37:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 fair enuf, Doctor

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-28 1:40:09 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:40:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 If you lived through Carter's presidency, you wouldn't think he was such a great man. He could spend the rest of his life going door to door, passing out million dollar bills and still not make up for it.

Posted by tu3031 2004-06-28 1:56:18 PM|| 2004-06-28 1:56:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 You may have a point there, Tu. I was lucky enough to be born under Reagan. But then again, if we could only comment on what we knew, a lot of us would have to keep quiet a lot more often . . . this way, if we're wrong, we can be told so, and learn from it . . .

Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-28 2:13:47 PM|| 2004-06-28 2:13:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Carter sucked that all you need to know :)

Posted by djohn66 2004-06-28 3:16:35 PM|| 2004-06-28 3:16:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 [Simpsons]
Mayor Quimby: I give you our 39th President, Jimmy Carter.
first guy: Oh, come on!
second guy: He's history's greatest monster!
Riot ensues.
[/Simpsons]

Back on the subject of the Clinton book. It turns out that Al Gore and Bill Clinton had a big falling out during the 2000 campaign. It seems that Clinton wanted bush in the White House.

Posted by 11A5S 2004-06-28 3:36:44 PM|| 2004-06-28 3:36:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Trollman-
So what would you list as Clinton's core principles? What ideals did he hold to without fail?

Careful now--this may be a trap. Select your words wisely-there are a lot of smart people on this website who can shred phony claims with one swipe of their long-memoried claws...

The problem with Clinton is that he is, despite all the language he borrows from America's forefathers, without principle.

Posted by jules 187 2004-06-28 3:41:33 PM|| 2004-06-28 3:41:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Clinton coasted on an economy that started with Reagan, faltered from a bad call on interest rates by Greenspand, and had recovered by December, after winning over Bush I. Greenspan attributed the following boom to productivity increases due to the wider spread of microcomputers.

He signed a law that opened up a defendant's past sex life for investigation in sexual harrasment cases, and then lied under oath when Paula Jones used the law HE SIGNED against him. He's admitted admitted as such in his own book, in his own words. "Following the Laws is for the LITTLE PEOPLE."

MOST of his "achievements" were due to his stunning loss of the House to Newt Gingrich and the Republicans, after cramming a tax increase down the throats of americans. Despite his Glib exterior, he admits in his book that Newt's program and agressiveness terrified him, and was relieved when the republicans blinked, mostly due to cover fire laid down by the media.

The lesson I take from his book? Never give up. When the media and democrats accuse you of bigotry, KEEP HITTING. When they claim your demands are sending the country down the toilet, KEEP HITTING. When they bitch and moan about you telling unpleasant truths, KEEP HITTING. When they signal that they're ready for "bipartisanship", START KICKING THEM.

Posted by Ptah 2004-06-28 3:43:00 PM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2004-06-28 3:43:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Unexpurgated? Isn't that what Bill did on Monica's dress?

Posted by Tibor 2004-06-28 6:16:52 PM|| 2004-06-28 6:16:52 PM|| Front Page Top

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