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2004-06-21 Home Front: WoT

NYT: Gitmo Produced Only Trickle of Intelligence With Current Value

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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-06-21 8:36:44 AM|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 blah, blah, blah...

Nobody believe the NYT anymore anyway. Which is a good thing for still-adoring Clinton fans these days.

Posted by B 2004-06-21 8:52:10 AM|| 2004-06-21 8:52:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Somehow, I knew this was Mike's posting, just from the headline.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-21 8:52:32 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-21 8:52:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I just got done watching the fox news story where the lawyers for the accused soldiers want the President to testify.

If we held FDR to this standard, trying generals and presidents each time it was revealed a bunch of allied troops had abused (or killed, which happened a lot more than everyone thinks) axis POW's, the Nazis would still be running Europe. And perhaps the rest of the world as well.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-06-21 9:09:51 AM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2004-06-21 9:09:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 *sigh*

Mike's login is quite accurate.

Posted by Korora 2004-06-21 9:35:15 AM|| [http://basementburrow.blogspot.com] 2004-06-21 9:35:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 If we could get intel from these guys, then great! The guys at gitmo now have dated intel to share. However, the other use for gitmo is a holding tank for some very miswired and dangerous people. What elsw would you have us do to them, push 'em out of a plane at FL250? Hmmmmmm....we won't go there today.....

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-21 9:44:27 AM|| 2004-06-21 9:44:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 all these unnamed sources! How many here doubt that any US Service member is unaware of the NY Times agenda, and would volunteer info on classified subjects? Bueller? *crickets*

the NY Times is full of crap, and should have to name sources to keep a shred of credibility

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-21 9:54:38 AM|| 2004-06-21 9:54:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 What elsw would you have us do to them, push 'em out of a plane at FL250?

Nuttin' wrong with that. A rather fitting barbaric end to a barbarian, I'd say. At the very least, go the environmentally correct way and make sure it's done over the open ocean, where the sharks can clean up the mess.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-21 12:48:49 PM|| 2004-06-21 12:48:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Only Trickle of Intelligence With Current Value

Ah, but did it produce any corroborating information?

Posted by eLarson 2004-06-21 2:07:55 PM|| 2004-06-21 2:07:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Who wants to bet that whatever has been gleaned hasn't been shared, because the people involved know it'll be splashed all over the front page?

I've always had a bit of a bi-polar thing going with trust in the government: on the one hand, I think they can do a lot more than they tell us, on the other, well, like all of us I'm sometimes forced to wonder. All those Tom Clancy novels help with the first, I suppose . . .

Assuming that there's more competency than there appears, it puts the government in a bind. You've got the liberal press screaming that "the people should know," but today, telling the people gives a fair chance that the enemy is gonna find out, too; it ain't too hard to pick up a copy of a newspaper. So I'm forced to wonder if we aren't going for an image of incompetency/failure rather than have whatever we have learned broadcast to the whole damned world - because you know that's what would happen. For example, I seem to recall a few years back MSNBC reporting that if Saddam didn't back down by a certain time, the *secret* plan was to bomb him to hell - and, lo and behold, he backed down a little while later, when before it had seemed very unlikely.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-21 2:22:11 PM|| 2004-06-21 2:22:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Reality Check: I have seen al-Qaeda's "Training Manual" and firmly believe that anyone who learned how to produce and use WMD - biological and chemical poisons - deserves to die. As many as 100,000 koranimals took that training in Afghanistan. Prior to 9-11, American Muslims openly bragged on the "Islamway" website, about having taken that training. I would torture the Gitmo pigs until they disclosed the names of each and every swine that they trained with, and then I would put bullets in their foreheads.

Posted by Dog Bites Trolls 2004-06-21 2:41:15 PM|| 2004-06-21 2:41:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Dog Is A Troll:

Interestingly, torture yields little result in interrogations--psychology of stress and fear (basic).

"I would torture the Gitmo pigs until they disclosed the names of each and every swine that they trained with, and then I would put bullets in their foreheads."

I understand you're upset, of course, but we want to GET information, not destroy our chances.

Your posts always seem very emotional to me--on the verge of "rabid." It's a complex world, and I think you should spend more time thinking and less time being so wound up.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-06-21 2:55:21 PM|| 2004-06-21 2:55:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Yes R.C., it had "Sylwester" written all over it.

No agenda here, moooove along....

Posted by Pappy 2004-06-21 6:46:04 PM|| 2004-06-21 6:46:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 I wonder if any of this is a disinformation effort by the security agencies - an effort to persuade al Qaeda that its operatives are staying silent, when in fact they sang like canaries. Using the New York Times for an effort like this would be poetic justice, given that it generates so much fiction anyway.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-06-21 9:53:20 PM|| [http://www.polipundit.com] 2004-06-21 9:53:20 PM|| Front Page Top

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