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2004-06-18 Arabia
Riyadh intensifies searches for the American hostage
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Posted by Seafarious 2004-06-18 1:01:52 PM|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 A Man-on-the-Street interview:
Residents of the three fundamentalist districts searched by police, which lie in western and southern Riyadh, suggested that the kidnappers enjoyed popular support, partly because of U.S. policy in Iraq and its perceived backing for Israel. "How can we inform on our brothers when we see all these pictures coming from Abu Ghraib and Rafah?" Muklas Nawaf, a resident of Dhahar al-Budaih, asked as he ate meat grilled on a vertical spit at a restaurant called Jihad, or holy war in Arabic. "This is not a little skirmish. It is a war," Nawaf said. A man who was shopping in Sweidi with his family said he saw little prospect of Johnson's life being spared. "These (kidnappers) are holy warriors, heroes, who never waver, even if they will fail," Mizahen al-Etbi said. "All Saudis hate Americans, not only these heroes."
Posted by Seafarious  2004-06-18 1:13:12 PM||   2004-06-18 1:13:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 nice - back to nuking the Arab holy land and drilling through the glass for our oil
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 1:16:47 PM||   2004-06-18 1:16:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 And a statement from the clown prince:
As Saudi forces intensified their search for Mr Johnson without success, the country's de facto ruler, Crown Prince Abdullah, made a televised threat to the kidnappers. He warned of an unprecedented security crackdown if anything happened to Mr Johnson. "Be assured, the kingdom has enough men whom you haven't seen so far, but within the coming few days you will see them," he said.
Saudi viewers saw the crown prince talking to the father of the terrorist who led the recent killing rampage in the eastern city of Khobar, where 22 people died. The two were seen walking together as the father publicly disowned his son, who was wounded.
Posted by Seafarious  2004-06-18 1:20:41 PM||   2004-06-18 1:20:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 "All Saudis hate Americans, not only these heroes."

Well, then. That's clear enough then.

Why do we tolerate these twits?
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-06-18 1:21:34 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-06-18 1:21:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 I do hope we are investigating the hacking on that website in San Jose. As I mentioned yesterday in Sefarious' posting, "Saudi hostage video hosted on hijacked US web site", there are some odd coincidences at this end.

Posted by BigEd 2004-06-18 1:22:31 PM||   2004-06-18 1:22:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 It's simple - nuke Mecca. Let em know that Allah's will doesn't stand for spit.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-06-18 1:26:58 PM||   2004-06-18 1:26:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 FNC reporting at 1327 EST that al-Reuters says the bastards killed him, awaiting confirmation now...

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2004-06-18 1:27:10 PM||   2004-06-18 1:27:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Unfortunately, I've also seen similar reports, they also mention beheading.

Can't find any available links yet though...
Posted by Lux 2004-06-18 1:35:57 PM||   2004-06-18 1:35:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Fox news link
Posted by Lux 2004-06-18 1:37:59 PM||   2004-06-18 1:37:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Rex Mundi has the right idea, although I'd start by nuking Medina, as a warning....
Posted by Scooter McGruder 2004-06-18 1:38:24 PM||   2004-06-18 1:38:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 ..Islamic websites showing the pics now too...

Enough.

ENOUGH!

Pick a city and wipe it off the face of the goddamned earth, and keep doing it for every innocent victim they kill.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2004-06-18 1:39:11 PM||   2004-06-18 1:39:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 ROPMA
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-06-18 1:39:23 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-06-18 1:39:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 this is sad. :(
Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-18 1:45:12 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-06-18 1:45:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 May God bless his soul and comfort his family.

We're in a war with savages, people who honestly believe in their twisted little minds that putting panties on men's heads is equivalent to wholesale murder. And that the later in some ways justifies the former. They are plague upon our world. I truly wish we could show them that their god is a false god, their prophet nothing more than a pedophile and murderer. Destroying one of their 'holy' cities would be a good start. I am so sick of these vermin!
Posted by AllahHateMe 2004-06-18 1:50:44 PM||   2004-06-18 1:50:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 If the Saudis were serious about stopping this then THEY needed to go on the offensive. Like I said yesterday, they get the names of the terrorist prisoners from the hostage takers, then they execute the terrorists and display heads on pikes. Then demand that the hostage be released or there will be more terrorists executed. The hostage takers need to realize that THEIR actions will cause THEM harm. Turn the tables on them. Being on the defensive in situations like this means that you already have LOST.

What this incident will do is to accelerate the non-Saudi exodus (quite the word) out of the country of people that run the oil industry. Thus in effect, accelerating the downfall of the Saudi Royal (f**kup) po-litical machine.

The Royals cannot s**t their way out of a wet paper bag. Sorry for being scatalogical, but it best describes the madness in Saudi. Besides, I hate to see relatives begging terrorists for the lives of their loved ones.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-18 1:51:53 PM||   2004-06-18 1:51:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 shit I said that backwards, obviously I meant that putting panties on men's heads justifies their murdering innocent people. I'm so pissed I can't see straight. I'm glad no moooslimes live near me this day.
Posted by AllahHateMe 2004-06-18 1:52:21 PM||   2004-06-18 1:52:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 It's about time for someone to behead a muslim in America.
Posted by Destro 2004-06-18 1:54:25 PM||   2004-06-18 1:54:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Destro - Whoa, bro - don't say shit like that. I get your meaning and understand your frustration, but that is off the board. I know you weren't making a threat, but puhleeze be clearer about it. Preview is your friend, bro.

Besides, I would much rather see a "holy" city nuked. ;-)
Posted by .com 2004-06-18 1:58:02 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/Rummy_Civil_Defense.jpg]  2004-06-18 1:58:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 holy shiite! biged is evergreen valley college involve in that? (just read yesterdays post.)
Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-18 2:01:38 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2004-06-18 2:01:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Destro, that's just a dumb thing to say, and not very productive. Also, it doesn't compare to the calls for nuking Mecca that sometimes pop up here. (Those are mostly tongue-in-cheek, I hope.)

On a separate note, Nayef's remarks are interesting. I am convinced that he is pulling the marionette strings behind bin Laden (or at least holding the purse strings), and this seems to be a push on Nayef's part to find out how much we know about AQ and its relationship with the KSA. I hope we give him bogus intel and see what comes of it.
Posted by Tibor 2004-06-18 2:02:40 PM||   2004-06-18 2:02:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Tibor - I'd hope Prince Naive has an accident ....soon
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 2:05:08 PM||   2004-06-18 2:05:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 AllahHateMe---Panties on someone's head is just an opportunistic excuse for the hostage taking and possible beheading. Al Q sees a weakess and they will exploit it. If we are strong, they back off. Unfortunately, the ME is weak on taking the right position on fundamental issues. The EU waffles, so it is only the US, UK, Australia, etc that stand up. And we have our own house to deal with during all this turmoil.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-18 2:14:58 PM||   2004-06-18 2:14:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 I dunno Tibor...I can think of any number of scenarios where this is the end result and I wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it. In fact I'd rest easier. Double those odds if Nayef becomes Maximum Leader. BTW, I'll check out reports of celebrating in Soddi Land over the beheading. Nice folk.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-06-18 2:20:22 PM||   2004-06-18 2:20:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 I apologize for my reckless remark, and to anyone offended. I'm angry, frustrated, and hungry for justice. Attacking innocent muslims in America would not be justice, and is counter-productive It's just so goddamn aggravating that this shit is allowed to go on, with absolutely no consequences for the murderers. Nick Berg, Robert Jacob, and Paul Johnson are true martyrs, and it's a shame that their killers are sitting under a palm tree, sipping lemonade.
Posted by Destro 2004-06-18 2:27:02 PM||   2004-06-18 2:27:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 I'm becoming less and less enchanted with this "Middle Eastern democratization" stuff with each passing day. And with each passing day, I become more convinced that someday, it's going to come down to a war of extermination: it's either them, or us. One or the other.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-06-18 2:31:14 PM||   2004-06-18 2:31:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Perhaps its time we parked a battle group or two offshore of that 40-mile long streach of land in Saudi Arabia which provides most of the finacial support to Al-Q. Take off the fucking gloves.

Perhaps a few fighter/bomber flights over Mecca and Medina....

Give SA a broad hint....
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-06-18 2:38:24 PM||   2004-06-18 2:38:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Just another day with the Religion of Pieces.

In 30 or 40 years, the West *might* wake up from its slumber and realize that these bastards have to be killed. Until that awakening comes, more innocents will perish, and the left will continue to navel-gaze while moaning "Why don't they like us?".
Posted by Crusader 2004-06-18 3:00:10 PM||   2004-06-18 3:00:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Given that the Saudis couldn't even capture supposedly cornered terrorists doesn't impart a lot of confidence that they'd succeed in any "search" for a non-Saudi being held hostage.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-18 3:06:58 PM||   2004-06-18 3:06:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Kerry Lied Laotians Died.
I want my oil back.
Posted by Shipman 2004-06-18 3:14:39 PM||   2004-06-18 3:14:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Rex M, I too can think of many scenarios involving the nuking of the Soddies. However, none of them involve a response to the beheading of a couple of Americans, regardless of how awful that is and how angry that makes me feel. If, God forbid, that happens, it will be in response to some devastating attack on the US or the West. Given that a huge percentage of the world's known oil reserves are in the KSA, there is no chance that we will lob a nuke on them for the hell of it. If it happens, its Armageddon time (or 5 minutes after a US scientist perfects cold fusion).
Posted by Tibor 2004-06-18 3:29:05 PM||   2004-06-18 3:29:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Tibor: Agreed, responding to today's events by going nuke-ular is not the way to go. I was more or less thinkin' aloud on the epiphanal aspect that watching a holy city or two get carbonized would have on the moose-limb umma. We had better meditate long and hard on this and what it means for everyone and everything we hold dear - as I fear we are well along that road.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-06-18 4:19:41 PM||   2004-06-18 4:19:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Which prisoners were the terrorists trying to free?

I would think the first step would be to execute the prisoners they were trying to free.
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-06-18 4:26:23 PM||   2004-06-18 4:26:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#33  Sounds to me like Nayef's comments are laying groundwork for the old "it's all foreigners doing this bad stuff" routine and by extension it's not his ministery that's incompetent,it's the Americans fault.

BTW,if you are thinking revenge,I suggest mass cruise missile attack at every mosque during worship whose religious leader has called for death to Americans.You don't get rid of ants by stepping on workers one at a time,you go for the queen-aka the mullahs,Ayatollahs,etc. who preach war.
Posted by Stephen 2004-06-18 7:06:58 PM||   2004-06-18 7:06:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 It's about time for someone to behead a muslim in America.

I say we up the ante, and make it 10 for 1!

Nony
Posted by Anonymous5274 2004-06-18 8:28:50 PM||   2004-06-18 8:28:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Attacking innocent muslims in America would not be justice...


There is NO such thing as an innocent Moslem! They are all guilty! All of them.

Nony
Posted by Anonymous5275 2004-06-18 8:42:42 PM||   2004-06-18 8:42:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Perhaps its time we parked a battle group or two offshore...

OT: Speaking of Battle Groups...does anyone know where all those Carriers disappeared to? Anyone...

Nony
Posted by Anonymous5276 2004-06-18 8:46:46 PM||   2004-06-18 8:46:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Dipshit Troll.
Posted by .com 2004-06-18 8:49:50 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/root_for_us.jpg]  2004-06-18 8:49:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 Dipshit Troll

Ah yes! Dot Com, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Armchair Generals & Geopolitical wankers.

Just how are my comments & opinions any more trollish than the rest of blather spewed here?

We have a term for puffed up pukes like you!

"All hat, and no cattle!" Pinhead!

Nony
Posted by Anonymous5277 2004-06-18 8:56:13 PM||   2004-06-18 8:56:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 staying Anonymous ? Coward and Piece of Shit apply more than troll
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 8:58:34 PM||   2004-06-18 8:58:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 "Nony":
.com's been here for a long time, and I think he knows far more than you. You're the one still blathering about killing Muslims; Destro's already apologized. And if you read carefully, you'll notice that a lot of the blather on the site comes from people like you, not from those who have questions to ask or facts or views to share. And not only have you stayed anonymous, but you've been 5274, 5275, 5276, and 5277. And you've been annoying. Either stop flinging your crap or go away.
Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-18 9:05:15 PM||   2004-06-18 9:05:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Doctor.
".com's been here for a long time, and I think he knows far more than you."

True, he's been here a long time, but so have I. And you really aren't in a position to know whether he's smarter than me or not, given that you don't know my background. Minor detail.

"You're the one still blathering about killing Muslims; Destro's already apologized."

Good for for Destro. I could take a little whirl around the old RB landscape and produce a plethora of comments that pretty much advocate the same thing. Most of them posted by regulars. Or doesn't hypothesizing the nuclear destruction of Arab centres of worship count?

BTW, I do think it will come to that.

"...but you've been 5274, 5275, 5276, and 5277..."

Oops! Sorry old boy, my bad! I'll work on that.

"Either stop flinging your crap or go away."

Please, please, let me join the club? You let M4D in. If I spell bad and don't punctuate, can I join?

FrankieG.
"Coward and Piece of Shit"

Takes one to know... Lot's of folks post under a pseudonym, Frankie. Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot!

Nony



Posted by Anonymous5278,77,76,75 and 74 2004-06-18 9:33:05 PM||   2004-06-18 9:33:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 you've been Soooooooo informative Nony, thanks
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 9:47:30 PM||   2004-06-18 9:47:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 So you've been here for a while. Great. I read the site for almost a year before I actually decided to speak up. And I don't know your background, but if you're just going to come in and start flinging insults, well, I'm not going to assume a great many flattering things about you.

As for the killing and destruction thing . . .
Maybe it isn't right to hypothesize it. But how many of those comments that you'd find are legitimate "what if?" scenarios, how many are spoken out of pure anger at what they do, and how many are absolutely serious? A good number may be half-serious, and perhaps that isn't a good thing - but I don't think that we'd ever, if any of us were in that position, consider going nuclear as anything but a last option. It's nice to think about - but what it symbolizes, in this case, is our frustration, and our desire to do something that will shake the Islamic world out of the murderous, backwards madness it's stuck in. Calling for the killing of Muslims here is a pure revenge move, prompted, as Destro himself said, only by frustration. I doubt he'd ever actually do it, although he might feel like it after hearing of the atrocities that they perpetuate. And I seriously doubt that a great many of the people who talk about nuking Mecca would truly get any pleasure out of it. In a way, it's so horrific that the only way to comprehend it is to joke about it . . . because it will mean that in the final struggle of them and us, we refused to let them destroy us, and were forced to kill them all first. And while we may yet have to do that if there truly is no other way, I don't think any of us would really be happy, just relieved that it would be over.
Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-18 9:48:36 PM||   2004-06-18 9:48:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 Lol! You certainly knew I was referring to you, heh! Wotta 'tard.

This has the jejune inane feel of NMM. Not a compliment. Stop wasting Fred's bandwidth, twit.
Posted by .com 2004-06-18 9:49:58 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/root_for_us.jpg]  2004-06-18 9:49:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 I am really ashamed of my foolish comment. Attacking innocent people will not take us forward, only backwards, in our War on Terror. And that is what I'm all about, winning the War on Terror. I love my country, and I love my fellow Americans, no matter what God they choose to worship. To see things happen like what happened today, to Paul Johnson, made something in my brain snap. Posting, while I am pissed off, is something I will refrain from doing in the future.

As for the flamefest my comment seems to have sparked, remember fellas UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.
Posted by Destro 2004-06-18 10:15:47 PM||   2004-06-18 10:15:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 Doctor. May I call you Doc?
"Great. I read the site for almost a year before I actually decided to speak up. And I don't know your background, but if you're just going to come in and start flinging insults, well, I'm not going to assume a great many flattering things about you."

Great. That's not quite as long as I've been monitoring the, mostly, stimulating discourse here. I'll send you a prize. I do believe, that the first insult flung, ("Dipshit Troll")was done so by dotty.

Oh, wait, I see that he has flung a few more. Oh my, sigh, I suppose I will just go and draw a warm bath and slit my wrists. Just kidding! 8-)

For your ease of reading I will, from now on use the "anger" and "frustration" tags to signify that I'm just venting my rage at the atrocities commited by the Islamonazis. Will that help?

Dotty. May I call you dotty?
"This has the jejune inane feel of NMM. Not a compliment."

No, you see, NMM comes in and flings shit against the wall then leaves. He almost never responds to comments directed his way. At least not with the wit and aplomb that I do. I'm not sure that "aplomb" is even in his vocabulary.

"Stop wasting Fred's bandwidth, twit."

You should practice what you preach. Oh, and you should lay off the sauce there brother, it isn't good for a man of your age. The liver you know.

Cheers!

Nony
Posted by Nony 2004-06-18 10:18:33 PM||   2004-06-18 10:18:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 Destro, that's fine; I did the same thing myself once, and was told that if you screw up, admitting it goes a long way towards making it better. We all do it once in a while. Think nothing of it.
Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-18 10:18:47 PM||   2004-06-18 10:18:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Desty.
"As for the flamefest my comment seems to have sparked..."

No "flamefest" just Dotty pissin' in the corner to mark his territory. Nothin' to see here folks, move along.

You see, some folks can vent & rage all they want, and others get BS'd (bitch slapped) by the old hands. One must keep the newbies in line you see, eh, wot!

Exuberantly!

Nony
Posted by Nony 2004-06-18 10:24:58 PM||   2004-06-18 10:24:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 I don't drink, dimwit - and if you had been around as long and as well-informed as you claim...

Since you've failed to post any, it's apparent you're unable to discuss substance. And what's even more apparent is just how impressed you are with yourself - approaching infinity, it seems. So, between you and me, you level out at zero.

The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none.
- Thomas Carlyle
Posted by .com 2004-06-18 10:32:16 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/root_for_us.jpg]  2004-06-18 10:32:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Nony, I'm in no mood to argue right now. Let me just say this: you came on, spit out a couple of insults, and then when someone called you on it, you got upset. There is NO such thing as an innocent Moslem! They are all guilty! All of them. Nony I'm sorry, but that's just plain obnoxious. Yes, .com said something, but it had nothing to do with kicking down the newbies. Hell, I might still qualify as a newbie, given the length of time some people have been posting here. But he didn't kick Destro, who later apologized. Just think about the difference, okay? I'd rather not waste any more time or bandwidth on this argument; it really isn't worth it for either of us. Or for anyone else here.
Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-18 10:36:23 PM||   2004-06-18 10:36:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Fred? Cleanup? - babyfood, aisle Nony
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 10:51:00 PM||   2004-06-18 10:51:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 Frank / Fred - I'd be interested in an IP check against a couple of people. I'll bet "Nony" is not anonymous at all.
Posted by .com 2004-06-18 10:57:14 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/root_for_us.jpg]  2004-06-18 10:57:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 me too, but I don't have that kinda access to the Lair of Fred
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 11:01:20 PM||   2004-06-18 11:01:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Heh - I know Fred's working his ass off - learning how to be a contractor: give 'em more than they expect, come in under budget and before deadline - thus you'll never be out of work. He's just doing too good a job of it, lol!
Posted by .com 2004-06-18 11:07:33 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/root_for_us.jpg]  2004-06-18 11:07:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 The Doctor.

Fine, don't argue then, you're outclassed anyway. I get paid large sums to argue. Also your sense of continuity is miscalibrated.

I came in and posted a few on topic comments in support of other posters comments. .com gets his fur roughed up a little and hurls a few insults.

No problem. If that is the best he's got, he's paper tiger. With regards to Moslems, they are all guilty.

There are militant Moslems and passive Moslems. The passives secretly pray for the success of their militant elements. That makes them guilty in my eyes.

The only benign Moslems are by definition, Apostate, so, they can't really be viewed as Moslems.

Upset? Hardly! This has been tremendously amusing. But, I have some briefs to write so I'll be moving on, for now. [Ahnold] I'll be back![/Ahnold]

Look, I'll make this quick. You can't have your cake and eat it too! Unless you have two cakes.

Unless the "West" sheds its artificial veneer of civility, and thrashes the Izoids completely, modern civilization is lost. Period.

I for one would whack as many of them as necessary right now, to avoid them killing one or more of our cities. Screw them. They are here in our midst, already. They pop a city or two and the only way we will remove them is by declaring marshal law.

Dotty.

You are halfway to being a wit mate! I couldn't give a popcorn fart about where I register with you.

Anyone that posts quotes in general, and particularly quotes by Carlyle only demonstrates how pretentious they really are. You are one amusing old fart.

Non
Posted by Nony 2004-06-18 11:13:13 PM||   2004-06-18 11:13:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 hmmmm Mark/Jennifer Espinola?
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 11:15:34 PM||   2004-06-18 11:15:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 Nope, Dog Bites Trolls - definitely that aroma
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 11:17:42 PM||   2004-06-18 11:17:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 hmmmm Mark/Jennifer Espinola?

Nope!

Nope, Dog Bites Trolls - definitely that aroma


Wrong again!

I am a completely new participant. Give me a chance, you might like me. I mean, y'all like mucky, right?

Nono
Posted by Nonster 2004-06-18 11:23:33 PM||   2004-06-18 11:23:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#59 Lol! Such a pundit, wit, and man-about-town! Pray tell, what have you ever posted? A vacuous pretender, 10¢/dozen - your clientele are some serious suckers... sell your list? Lol!
Posted by .com 2004-06-18 11:23:55 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/root_for_us.jpg]  2004-06-18 11:23:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 Pray tell, what have you ever posted?

I am a completely new participant.

A vacuous pretender...

You believe whatever makes you feel comfy in your little world. Reply all you want, I'm off to bill some hours. BTW, there are other professions besides Law that involve the writing of briefs.

Think about it.

Non
Posted by Nonolicious 2004-06-18 11:34:27 PM||   2004-06-18 11:34:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 I'm bored already - nite .com!
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-18 11:34:57 PM||   2004-06-18 11:34:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 I've seen this entrance before. Same self-aggrandized puffed up arrogant bluff - with nothing behind it. No relevant resume, no original substance, no personal knowledge, no actual experience. Reads. Implies, may even believe, that equates to wisdom. Facility with language and empty repartee might amuse, but it doesn't inform. But RB is changing, maybe he belongs here, nowadays.
Posted by .com 2004-06-18 11:40:01 PM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/powell.jpg]  2004-06-18 11:40:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 Nonny,
If that's what you believe, that is fine; thank you for stating your views. I'd be more than willing to listen to you - but your initial posts came across as somewhat obnoxious. I cannot tell you what .com thought, for obvious reasons, but . . . well, I suppose making a comment on such a controversial thread - especially on such a sensitive topic - is not the best way to introduce yourself. At least, it didn't work for me (and no, that's not saying it has to, I'm not so arrogant), but if I overreacted, sorry. Starting a rivalry with someone like .com - "paper tiger" or no - isn't exactly the best way to begin, methinks. Contributing to the discussion with facts helps, but . . . oh, hell, guess I've gone into lecture and rambling mode again, and it isn't my site; I probably have very little right to. Anyway, you want to be given a chance? Give us one, too, and we'll all be happy.

As for the Islamic problem, I don't know how to solve it. It may come to nuclear weapons - but if it does, it will either be a last resort for our side, or a knee-jerk defensive reaction from someone who doesn't think that a more conventional approach like GWB's could ever work (the infamous I-want-it-my-way-and-I-want-it-now syndrome). The two might go hand-in-hand if something big enough happens, but I pray that's not the case, because that would mean that a lot of innocent people on both sides have been killed. We can't wipe out Islam without trying to reform it first. They would without a second thought, but a long-term solution that shows the superiority of the West's philosophies requires that we try and fix it first. Islam is rapidly diminishing what patience we have, though; our hand won't be extended forever.
Posted by The Doctor 2004-06-18 11:43:23 PM||   2004-06-18 11:43:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 Actually, this entire war reminds me alot of John W Campbell's essay called Tribesman, Barbarian, Citizen. I tried to find a link that had it done out, but all I could find was listings. It is really and truly worth reading if you can find a copy of it. It was printed in The Stars at War, edited by Jerry Pournelle.
Posted by Silentbrick  2004-06-18 11:55:54 PM||   2004-06-18 11:55:54 PM|| Front Page Top

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