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2004-06-17 China-Japan-Koreas

Richardson Urges Shift In U.S. Tack On N. Korea

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Posted by Steve White 2004-06-17 1:24:52 AM|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Richardson is far from the lamest guy on his side, but this is, uh, lame. Or perhaps priceless. Isn't the tone here a familiar one -- "hurry! we'd better do what the Norks want, or they'll, they'll .... keep doing what they're doing anyway, or something."

For those who comfort themselves that a Kerry presidency would be a marginal change, as has historically been the norm for the large US ship of state, take note. This sort of utter lack of poker sense -- which was the "foundation" of the 1994 disaster -- is endemic in the sort that would populate a Kerry admin. Topped by someone who's shown no backbone whatever in his entire political career, this is not a recipe for a shorter, less costlier struggle. To the contrary.

Posted by Verlaine 2004-06-17 2:16:03 AM|| 2004-06-17 2:16:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I think Richardson is right. We are headed in the wrong direction. The American people aren't really enemies with the people of North Korea. This is all a mistake because we are under the power of an imperialist Zionist cabal who never liked Charlie Chan movies. What we need is a Joint Treaty of Peace
Between the People of The United States of America, ~~South Vietnam and North Vietnam~~ South Korea and North Korea.

To paraphrase the late Sam Kinnison, "I hope Richardson slides under a gas truck and tastes his own blood." What would posess the moron to keep North Korea on the speed dial so that we can recycle a failed "compromise plan." Does Richardson really think that the old "give-a-little" and "take-a-little" will work with a guy who uses his dissidents for biological experimentation.

I'm even wondering whether giving him free food is a good idea. Doesn't that just allow him to free up currency to pay guys like Khan for technical assistance?

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-17 2:29:49 AM|| 2004-06-17 2:29:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Verlaine - I believe yours is the most accurate description of the alternative I've yet read - anywhere. Simply perfect, thank you.

"The crux of the biscuit," as Frank Zappa once said, is ~~"the apostrophe"~~ November. If I weren't an atheist, I would plead, "God help us."

Posted by .com 2004-06-17 2:43:03 AM|| 2004-06-17 2:43:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 .com, I think that the American people will survive either way. The price that will be paid in November will be in the blood of Iraqis, Israeli's, North Koreans, Iranians, Afghanistanis, and Sudanese ...
If Reagan had lost reelection, America would have survived but there would be more dead and subjugated people in El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Eastern Europe.
Who has paid the blood price for Clinton's eight years? I say Somalis, Rwandans and North Koreans. It is unnatural for Americans to stand by while human beings are eliminated en masse. The "shining city on the hill" is not meant to overlook a midden heap of bones and skulls. When Sadaam was removed form power he ranked fourth on the list of all-time butchers behind Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and whoever pulled the strings on the Rwanda abomination, but he was certainly capable of reaching number three on the list, and we don't even know what Hootie and Queezy could have added to the tally.

A vote for Kerry is a vote for genocide. Allow me to include a quote from Article 8 of Madam Bihn's People to People Peace Treaty: The Americans and Vietnamese agree to respect the independence, peace and neutrality of Laos and Cambodia in accord with the 1954 and 1962 Geneva Conventions and not to interfere in the internal affairs of these two countries.
Kerry put him stamp of approval on the treaty. He declared his admiration for Madam Bihn on the record before a Congressional Committee. In his "youthful exuberance" John Kerry helped convince America to betray South Vietnam. KERRY LIED AND 2 FRAKING MILLION CAMBODIANS DIED. Michael Moore can put that in his bong and light up. [/rant]

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-17 3:04:48 AM|| 2004-06-17 3:04:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 SH - Nice rant! Your points are excellent - clearly documented, well taken, and absolutely true.

But... (Did ya feel that coming?)
*deep breath*
I think you are leaving out a component. Though the numbers are less weighty than the sum across the atrocities you cited, don't forget the dead US citizens - both civilian and military. From Hanoi John's traitorous wholesale Vietnam betrayal to Carter's macro-microbungling of everything he touched to Reagan's inexplicable failure in Beirut to Clinton's repeated failures to do anyting significant in Africa, Yemen, or even have the flimsiest grasp of what we faced (Can you say Dumbfuck Dickie Clarke?) so that we were slaughtered en masse in the WTC before the ink was dry on Dubya's Oath. Mishandling of NKor (and PakiWakis, Taliban, et al) could have been devastating, but Dubya's policies have neutered the mutts and cleaned out some nasty spider holes (Afghan & Iraq), not to mention he's begun taking on the Saudis - first and only President to ever even say "Boo!" to them, in spite of the trolling fucktards' commentary occasionally deposited on the RB lawn.

This is the right road. To hand the reins to the unbelievably inept Skeery & Co, easily the most egregious loser of the lot, would add every life lost fighting what has evolved into the WoT, from Nixon forward, as he would take 47 steps backward for every step forward, assuming he ever managed the moxy to reach that point in the dance, aka the Donk Chickenhawk Shuffle.

*exhale*

Just my opinion, bro. :-)

Posted by .com 2004-06-17 3:48:51 AM|| 2004-06-17 3:48:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 KERRY LIED AND 2 FRAKING MILLION CAMBODIANS DIED.

Meme! Meme!

Posted by Shipman 2004-06-17 7:28:56 AM|| 2004-06-17 7:28:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 North Korea could emerge as an outlaw state armed with as many as 10 nuclear weapons
As if they aren't already (albeit with only a couple of nukes)! That's the problem with this whole line of reasoning. The Norks ARE (and have been) an outlaw state: the USS Pueblo, downing an airliner, assassinating SKor polititians, etc. The world needs to wake up and realize that playing footsie with Kimmie is dancing to his tune.

Posted by Spot 2004-06-17 8:40:59 AM|| 2004-06-17 8:40:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I'd like to step into the situation as peace-maker and declare I find common ground between SH and .com. I believe both agree that the choice in November may be a stark one when it comes to likely effect on national and international security.

There, that felt good. Do I get an "evil" (as in Dr. Evil") Nobel Peace Prize now??

P.S. Thanks, .com, for the gracious words. But like you, I won't be in a mood to enjoy them until November, and a certain dark possibility, have passed.

Posted by Verlaine 2004-06-17 9:46:05 AM|| 2004-06-17 9:46:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 All - Bottom line : Because of Kerry's sanctimonius speech before the congress in 1972 (not to mention his affectatious voice which seems to have mellowed over the years) he has no moral "gravitas" (to steal the donkey theme) to be president. Yes, Super H., 2,000,000+ Cambodians died because of the mindset inculcated by Lurch the wannabe.

However, what made it worse at that time is the toadies in the media, and the micromanagement and "lack of exit strategy" (To steal another theme) by Lyndon and his merry men. Just keep disenfranchised cannon fodder sent to Vietnam over on a escapade the Johnson administration had no intention of winning.

This gave Lurch, the treasonous Hanoi Janey and their ilk the arguements they had. And, we know that the sycophants in the media like Walter Walrus, the {gag} most "trusted" man in America, something to whine about on the evening news.

Now this wannabe and his gang are threatening to, as Super H said, "I think that the American people will survive either way. The price that will be paid in November will be in the blood of Iraqis, Israeli's, North Koreans, Iranians, Afghanistanis, and Sudanese ..."

I could not have said it better, though I think that we must be sure that an anti-ACLU group gets going, because, more of the nonsense like removing the cross of the LA County, California seal will happen, however more minarets will be allowed pollute the air with noise unchallenged.

Posted by BigEd 2004-06-17 11:40:55 AM|| 2004-06-17 11:40:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 But Richardson has echoed the sentiments of leading analysts who have predicted that North Korea might hold out for an agreement until after the U.S. elections in November.

Well, DUH!

Richardson got absolutely nowhere with the NORKS last time they paid him a visit. If he wants to be the relay, then quietly do the job and pass the info on to Washington, sans media.

Appeasement will be a disaster. The Norks are counting on divide and conquer. It is the same old playbook. Appease them or we will build nukes. The Iranians are taking it one step further--we are building nukes so screw you. The sooner the Nork govt falls, the more people we can save. Appeasement costs North korean civilian lives. The NORKS use their foreign exchange for the govt not the people.

Bill Richardson's statements disgust me.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-17 12:24:41 PM|| 2004-06-17 12:24:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Since Richardson's agenda probably does not correspond with that of the president, he is using the tried and true media route to make his happen. I suspect it won't work

Posted by dorf 2004-06-17 12:58:32 PM|| 2004-06-17 12:58:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Bill wants to sip champagne with Poofy-hair Kim. I think there's a deep-seated jealousy of Madeleine Halfbright's photo-op, as well as the wish to be taken seriously as Kerry's VP or Sec State

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-17 1:00:45 PM|| 2004-06-17 1:00:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Okay, North Korea has 10 nukes a few years from now. A day or two later Japan and South Korea each have full-blown nuclear programs.

That doesn't scare me, I doubt the Chinese would like it though. That's the full-house in the poker game and Richardson doesn't see it.

Posted by yank 2004-06-17 1:35:29 PM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-06-17 1:35:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 I'm even wondering whether giving him free food is a good idea. Doesn't that just allow him to free up currency to pay guys like Khan for technical assistance?

Whenever I've suggested a full shutdown of any aid to rogue nations (as with the USD $43 MILLION sent to the Taleban just before 9-11), people have accused me of wanting to use starvation as a foreign policy tool.

Well guess what? Mullah Omar and Kim Jong-Il don't really have a problem with starving their entire populations if it enriches a single extra atom of plutonium.

We really need to cordon off North Korea and interdict all trade links until they melt down from within. Every scrap of food we send them feeds their military.

It will be the same way with China and their medically caused AIDS epidemic. Any critical AIDS medical aid we are foolish enough to divert to the Chinese will simply fund more missiles to be pointed at Taiwan. If China happens to lose over 25% of their population due to an epidemic caused by the corrupt and unsafe blood purchasing of government protected thugs, maybe it will place a slight damper on their military aspirations.

We must stop feeding the hand that bites us.

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-17 3:58:08 PM|| 2004-06-17 3:58:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 "We must stop feeding the hand that bites us."

Excellent turn of phrase - an instant classic!

Posted by .com 2004-06-17 4:06:26 PM|| 2004-06-17 4:06:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Richardson is a Clinton tool whose job #1 is to make the Clintoon Administration's (which includes him, for some ungodly reason) dreadful 1993 "agreement" with the NorKs look good .
Also, the DNC is trying to "groom" Richardson for higher office.
That's why the governor of a sparsely populated, land-locked and not very important U.S. state gets to comment on our foreign policy.

Posted by Jen 2004-06-17 4:30:16 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-06-17 4:30:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Super Hose: Remember that throughout the 70's and 80's the Soviet Economy was on the ropes.

If Reagan hadn't been elected, they would have reached the border of the economic event horizon with a large military and with a 1970's era American military on the other side of the Fulda Gap, without all the neat Assault Breaker stuff designed to stop them from coming through.

The OPTIMISTIC scenario is: we'd be sitting here _today_ about how much trouble the Soviet Economy's in, now that they've run out of stuff in the former West Germany, France, and Spain to loot...

Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-06-17 6:49:16 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2004-06-17 6:49:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Jen - you forgot "hispanic"

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-17 7:37:34 PM|| 2004-06-17 7:37:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Thanks, Bill. When the governor of New Mexico is authorized to determine foreign policy by the federal government, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Also if you notice any clicking and popping noises on your phone, ignore them. It's nothing.

Posted by tu3031 2004-06-17 9:47:50 PM|| 2004-06-17 9:47:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 .com, you are right we will pay a heavy price also. The People's Peace Treaty is also consistent with Kerry's Sandanista rhetoric once he arrived in the Senate. I'm sure that his voting record with regard to defense is completely consistent with the WPC's dictates.

Phil, I have thought about editing different copies of the People to People Peace Treaty and placing them on the Web (but I have no website.) The idea would be to substitute different areas of the world to match situations where "fellow travellers" have encouraged America to adopt a pacifist adgenda. It is really a multiple purpose document that could have been used to WWI, WWII, Korea, Grenada, Somalia ....

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-17 11:19:04 PM|| 2004-06-17 11:19:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Actually, it would be fun to redraft the preamble to the treaty for Iraq and see how many of these people would endorse the draft.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-18 12:27:23 AM|| 2004-06-18 12:27:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 "We must stop feeding the hand that bites us."

Excellent turn of phrase - an instant classic!

Thank you, .com. One of my own from several years back. Glad you liked it.

Posted by Zenster 2004-06-18 2:34:28 AM|| 2004-06-18 2:34:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 We (Fred, of course, heh) ought to be keeping a list of such jewels - they get forgotten / lost sometimes and that's just unacceptable, heh.

Roll out any more you have when the thread serves - I am not a punster, myself, but I admire first-rate werdsmithing, lol! One of the reporters I knew when my ex-wife was in the biz was a fanatic - and damned good. If I fed him a few beers, he reached greatness. I wish I'd kept a list.

Posted by .com 2004-06-18 2:40:37 AM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/NYT_Lies.jpg] 2004-06-18 2:40:37 AM|| Front Page Top

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