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2004-06-08 International-UN-NGOs

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Posted by Long Hair Republican 2004-06-08 5:26:11 PM|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "countryâs new leaders had the right to order the international troops to leave at any time."

I thought that was the part we objected to. I can see why the French and Russians approved it. If true even now they are probably working hard to find some Iraqi government official to start making noises about the "Occupation troops" beating feat. I thoiught that we were supposed to stick to our guns to the effect that we would consult, but not be ordered. If this is the case it may not be such a victory, just a ticking time bomb waiting for French and Russian meddling.

I really hope this is wrong.

Posted by Michael 2004-06-08 5:44:57 PM|| 2004-06-08 5:44:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Ok, big deal - Bush may have facilitated the makings of a free Iraqi government, but he still lied about the WMDs, he is in favor of torture, and it could still end up like Vietnam. And he risked American lives and created terrorists in Iraq.

Posted by Jennifer 2004-06-08 5:52:30 PM|| 2004-06-08 5:52:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 History shows again and again . . . W is never more dangerous than when his enemies think they have him cornered. The new Iraq government is made up of friendlies--very grateful friendlies, mind you. We've nothing to worry about.

I'm waiting for Kerry to denounce the Security Council as a "fraudulent coalition" of "the bribed, the coerced, and the duped."

Posted by Mike 2004-06-08 5:56:31 PM|| 2004-06-08 5:56:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Jennifer - poor brainless child of the left.
I guess that Sarin found the other day was a new kind of non-stick spray.....
Oh yeah torture that is what your feeling right now right Jennifer with all of this great news about the economy, jobs and the WOT.
You mean he is killing terrorist in Iraq right.
With all the blather of the left you still don't realize Saddam was a huge WMD. You hate America don't you Jennifer? You pathetic Socalist Pinko Commie PUKE!!

Posted by Long Hair Republican 2004-06-08 5:59:22 PM|| 2004-06-08 5:59:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Michael

Yes, I understand you comment regarding friendlies and I agree with you, I just hate the thought of the loophole if indeed it exists (it may not).

My problem is that if it does that is how the French may plan on obstructing things in the future and attempting to divert us from our mission and goals. I really really do not trust those folks.

At all.

Then again I may just be paranoid.

Posted by Michael 2004-06-08 6:07:54 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:07:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 It must really suck to be so wrong so often. I picture the LLL doing John Travolta's bit from waaay back on that stupid TV show where he would grab his head and scream, "Oh! My brain hurts!"

Jennifer, it must suck to be you. So stop, fool.

Posted by .com 2004-06-08 6:09:03 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:09:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Jennifer

I guess hope springs eternal in the Lefties breast, eh?

Kind of sad, really.

Posted by Michael 2004-06-08 6:10:23 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:10:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 "I thought that was the part we objected to."

No, it wasn't: the part we objected to was the part the French wanted, about giving the Iraqis a "veto" over Coalition military operations.

Plain fact is, they're not going to ask us to leave; there are far too many benefits to having us stay (and we will see to it that there are, you can be sure), and asking us to leave would be utterly suicidal, anyway.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-06-08 6:13:52 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:13:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 ...the countryâs new leaders had the right to order the international troops to leave at any time

Enforcing that right could prove problematic, however. If we weren't a bunch of nice guys, I mean.

Posted by mojo 2004-06-08 6:14:45 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:14:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm waiting for Kerry to denounce the Security Council as a "fraudulent coalition" of "the bribed, the coerced, and the duped."

I wouldn't put it past him; I really wouldn't. Doesn't really have many other alternatives anymore, does he?

Posted by Dave D. 2004-06-08 6:17:12 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:17:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 David

Oh, my mistake. Now that you mention I believe you are right.

I was not trying to dis the President here. I just sort of thought something was wrong. Turns our it was me :-)))

But I stll don't trust the French not to try something sneaky.

Posted by Michael 2004-06-08 6:20:11 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:20:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 French... sneaky... c'est la meme chose, n'est ce pas?

Screw the French. Looks to me like they've been told to knock off the bullshit and get with the program.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-06-08 6:33:44 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:33:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 The right of the Iraqi's to ask US forces to leave has a very interesting current context: look at what is going on in South Korea. They rant about wanting the US to leave, then when we start to pull troops out they get very nervous. I'm sure the current and upcoming leaders in Iraq are taking note of the fact that, if you make us feel unwelcome, we might leave, and you might not be too happy with that.

Posted by Sludj 2004-06-08 6:34:18 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:34:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Can you say "misunderestimated"? (heh-heh)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-06-08 6:39:41 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:39:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 ok How did bush lie about wmd? even clinton and the french were convinced that iraq had wmd and ole saddam acted as if he did (which he did - mustard and sarin to mention a few)...

torture? please i personally would rather have underwear put on my head than my head chopped off...

and the comment about vietnam is way over the top - this will never end up like vietnam. jennifer go and study your history - vietnam had big power supporters that kept them well supplied plus freedom of movement in the north plus a multitude of other reasons.....

about american lives - we either confront militant islam or be consumed by it. i just thank god we have brave men and women who are willing to sacrafice for my freedom..and your's unfortunetly because you do not deserve any freedoms...freedom is not automatic and must be continually fought for...

created terrorists? like terrorism is a new...better there than here dumbass...

Posted by Dan 2004-06-08 6:58:35 PM|| 2004-06-08 6:58:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 LOL!
You go Jennifer!

Posted by AntiPasto 2004-06-08 7:12:10 PM|| 2004-06-08 7:12:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Stop the presses: Shitstani is now pissed off about the resolution. Only Darth Vader knows why, but I caught just this tidbit on FoxNews TV that he says it's illegal or something...developing story, I'm sure. I have nothing good to say about Shitstani.

We'll see - Plz watch the news sites and post it when someone puts out a definitive explanation.

Posted by .com 2004-06-08 7:12:14 PM|| 2004-06-08 7:12:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 it could still end up like Vietnam

Sure. With enough rainfall, I guess it could. It already has the low-lying marsh land to the south and two large rivers. Not sure what to do about the people though.

Posted by Rafael 2004-06-08 7:19:57 PM|| 2004-06-08 7:19:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 ..but he still lied about the WMDs,..

Yawn. You're using dated material that's been deconstructed at least a thousand times already.
Try again.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-08 7:52:21 PM|| 2004-06-08 7:52:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 #2 jennifer......you're a fucking idiot, who can't learn. You poor thing, the fag loving united way has a position for you. You can sew buttons on teddy bears.....any fucking idiot can do that.

Posted by Halfass Pete 2004-06-08 7:56:44 PM|| 2004-06-08 7:56:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 about american lives - we either confront militant islam or be consumed by it. i just thank god we have brave men and women who are willing to sacrafice for my freedom.

Yes.

Re: Sistani, I think he overplayed his hand with the US by playing games about Sadr. That set back the Shia intent to dominate the government for a while and Sistani is not happy about it, I would imagine.

However, he is not a fan of Iran's and so is limited in the degree of chaos he will directly support, especially after seeing how the locals began to turn on Sadr and his militia.

Bottom line: he has power and influence, but not to unlimited degrees and he overplayed things in Jan - Mar, when he had a LOT of US support. The Iraqis have a lot of scores to settle and a lot more internal negotiations to have with one another - witness the Kurds threatening to break away, too.

Those who protest that the interim government are puppets don't understand that this next year is Iraq's chance to work out these power relationships in a fairly stable context, while the nuts and bolts of the country get set up again (and on a far better basis than under Saddam). Over 80% of the people of Iraq never remember a time when Saddam wasn't in power ... it will take them time to work through all this.

And we WILL leave if they ask us - but as mentioned above, the wiser heads won't do so any time soon, I suspect. What will happen is that we will gradually withdraw to camps outside the city areas, where our security operations along the borders can be carried out with far less impact on the day to day lives of ordinary Iraqis.

Posted by rkb 2004-06-08 7:58:42 PM|| 2004-06-08 7:58:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 ooops! im accidenly stumble into angry thread. sory.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-08 8:04:59 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-08 8:04:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 .com: I believe it was posted here sometime this week; Sistani doesn't like the fact that the resolution endorses the interim constitution, which he doesn't like because it ~~prevents the Shiites from screwing the Kurds~~gives the Kurds an effective veto.

Posted by someone 2004-06-08 8:09:48 PM|| 2004-06-08 8:09:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 The funny thing is that Bush has essentially won, but won't be able to crow about it till the end of the month. That's about enough rope for the Dims to noose themselves with...

Posted by someone 2004-06-08 8:11:22 PM|| 2004-06-08 8:11:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 just out of curiosity, most of you here have denounced the UN at any possible opportunity yet are all content that the resolution has passed and arguing that it's a big victory for the Bush administration. Aren't these two positions contradictory?

Posted by Igster 2004-06-08 9:59:19 PM|| 2004-06-08 9:59:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 not at all - I dislike many brands of toilet paper, yet presented with a "bad" choice, will still gladly use it

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-08 10:30:56 PM|| 2004-06-08 10:30:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 someone - You're right - that may be what I heard the tail end of on Fox - but I've been waiting diligently for a posting somewhere and nothing. Mebbe that was it. What you and rkb posit is accurate - the interim bunch, or at least PM Allawi, FM Zebari, and Pres Yawer (sheesh a new bunch to remember and spell correctly, sigh!) all seem to get it and are doing the right things, so far. I'm encouraged.

The UN / UNSC is just checking all the boxes to satisfy the zipperheads in an election season. Igs is just being the usual disingenuous foil. Does it most of the time. Piss off - there is more than enough information in our posts for you to answer your pissy little joke question. You're a typical EuroTool.

Posted by .com 2004-06-08 11:31:53 PM|| 2004-06-08 11:31:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 fuck off .com, you're a fucking moron as always

Posted by Igster 2004-06-09 12:08:50 AM|| 2004-06-09 12:08:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 Igster - love the "ter" add-on. So much more impressive - it gives weight and a further sense of gravite' to your posts. Thx for the personal aside, coming from you it's a compliment. 8^)

Posted by .com 2004-06-09 12:22:09 AM|| 2004-06-09 12:22:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 too amusing .com the resident pedophile based in Thailand lecturing real Americans who actually live in this Magic Kingdom ruled by an un-elected asshole

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2004-06-09 12:32:03 AM|| 2004-06-09 12:32:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Keep quoting Fox--as if those right wing asses have a clue!--Why don't you just say "then Rush Limbaugh said..?"

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2004-06-09 12:33:46 AM|| 2004-06-09 12:33:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 Ah well, NMM, you're just pure asshole. So much for trying. You know you suck like and F5 - only when you've passed, nothing has changed, so I guess you just suck to no effect.

Posted by .com 2004-06-09 12:42:40 AM|| 2004-06-09 12:42:40 AM|| Front Page Top

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