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Bush - Chirac Speeches & Press Conference Comments
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Posted by .com 2004-06-05 2:06:55 PM|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 .Com -
eeeehhhhh, I am trying to read it but there seems to some kind of malfunction....
Posted by Long Hair Republican  2004-06-05 2:26:17 PM||   2004-06-05 2:26:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 The transcript hasn't been posted, yet - I'll put the link up as soon as they have the speeches & Press Conference commentary available.

You watched it? What did you think? What stuck in your mind or craw?

I though Chirac looked incredibly desparate - extremely animated with huge gestures - which probably looked sincere to French viewers.
Posted by .com 2004-06-05 2:30:33 PM||   2004-06-05 2:30:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 extremely animated with huge gestures

That just looks gay to us unsophisticated Americans. Put a wig and dress on Chirac and get him a headliner gig at La Cage aux Folles.
Posted by ed 2004-06-05 2:59:05 PM||   2004-06-05 2:59:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 .com -
Sorry I don't own a T.V., they are just to painful. Doing a little reading and looking at some photo's.....it looks like Chirac is ready to get down on his knee's to GWB.
Looking forward to your comments ".com" regarding the Press Conference.
Posted by Long Hair Republican  2004-06-05 3:00:55 PM||   2004-06-05 3:00:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 LHR - I'm no authority - just a very interested observer! I will offer that Chirac is in "nuance" mode. Still pretending to be the bastion of freedom and the best friend of the Arab world, while trying to accomodate the reality on the ground. Pretty funny stuff, IMO!

I'm looking for something sustantial, but it takes time to generate the transcript of the Press Conference. You'd expect the speeches were already polished and would be available, by now - but nothing yet. Only things I've seen posted thus far are fluff anticipation pieces.

I'll post links as soon as I locate something with substance!
Posted by .com 2004-06-05 3:06:54 PM||   2004-06-05 3:06:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 WaPo is first in with a "take" on the scene.

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Posted by .com 2004-06-05 3:12:37 PM||   2004-06-05 3:12:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Chirac "history does not repeat itself and it is very difficult to compare historical situations that differ because history is not repetitive."

Does anyone other than me to find this quote "gauling" no pun intended. But this coming from a Frenchman just seems astounding to me.
Posted by Long Hair Republican  2004-06-05 3:17:45 PM||   2004-06-05 3:17:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 AP Breaking News has a few more of the specific comments, in context.
Posted by .com 2004-06-05 3:21:50 PM||   2004-06-05 3:21:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 LHR - Chirac's in a box. He wants a piece of the action, but just cannot retract anything he said or disavow anything he did, it appears. What struck me was that while Chirac was in his animated mode, Bush seemed quite calm and composed. One of the French Press questioners tried to make him uncomfortable with a 2-part question about WMD's & Abu Ghraib. Bush just answered that everyone, incl France had intel that there were WMDs and Abu Graib was being handled in the correct judicial venue and would be done transparently and publicly.

Then Chirac said that France's intel did not agree that there were WMDs, and how could he know what he didn't know - or soemthing like that. I've forgotten the specifics other than he was saying that Bush and reporters who said this were wrong. Butt coverage. There was some slippery dancing of the greased pig variety. It was funny and infuriating at the same time. I can't wait for a transcript.
Posted by .com 2004-06-05 3:31:53 PM||   2004-06-05 3:31:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Ummmm....Chirac, didn't your country supply Saddam with those WMD's there buddy????
Posted by Long Hair Republican  2004-06-05 3:37:00 PM||   2004-06-05 3:37:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I've gotta bail... here are the 3 breaking news sources I've been following looking for updates:
Google World
AP Breaking
Blacksheep

Back later! Mebbe we'll have the transcripts available -- sans spin!
Posted by .com 2004-06-05 3:43:00 PM||   2004-06-05 3:43:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Long Hair Republican,

Yah, I was shocked by that statement too, is he really that stupid?
Posted by Damn_Proud_American  2004-06-05 4:45:35 PM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com]  2004-06-05 4:45:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 "history does not repeat itself and it is very difficult to compare historical situations that differ because history is not repetitive."
J Chirac

"Our ignorance of history causes us to slander our own times."
Gustave Flaubert

Posted by doc 2004-06-05 5:08:54 PM||   2004-06-05 5:08:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Chirac reminds me visually of a gay -leaning LBJ
Posted by Frank G  2004-06-05 5:09:53 PM||   2004-06-05 5:09:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Don't you love the way the Partisan Media portrays this, AS IF it was President Bush was the one who was having to suck up to Jacques!
ChIRAK is such a dick and even though he's telling Bush he's going to approve the UN resolution on Iraq, I hope the President doesn't trust him as far as he could throw him...and I'm sure he doesn't!
Viva Bush!
Posted by Jen  2004-06-05 5:14:27 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-06-05 5:14:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 The only lesson to be learned from history is that history never repeats itself. Yesterday, I urged to go read Karl Popper. You should specifically read The Poverty of Historism. In it he argues that people who claim to know the future course of history are deeply dangerous people.

Chirac is right, but the correlary is that history doesn't stop and if you don't try and make the future you want, then rest assured others will.
Posted by Phil_B 2004-06-05 5:37:13 PM||   2004-06-05 5:37:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Next thing you know Chirac will propose the rebuilding of the Marginot line. LOL.
Posted by Ol_Dirty_American 2004-06-05 5:37:49 PM||   2004-06-05 5:37:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Transcript of Press Conference:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121882,00.html
Posted by Anonymous5133 2004-06-05 5:44:57 PM||   2004-06-05 5:44:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Anyone who doesn't know history repeats itself doesn't know history.
Posted by Damn_Proud_American  2004-06-05 6:15:20 PM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com]  2004-06-05 6:15:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 A5133 - Thx for the transcript link. I've just finished it and I must say that reading the weasling is much worse than hearing it. Grrrrrr. I do not want us to forget this asshat's actions. As for forgiving, I guess that depends upon what is on offer. Kneepads are in order, just to take the phonecall, IMHO.
Posted by .com 2004-06-05 6:30:41 PM||   2004-06-05 6:30:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 history does not repeat itself, and it is very difficult to compare historical situations that differ, because history is not repetitive.

Monsieur Chirac does not know what he is talking about. History does and will repeat itself especially if we don't learn from the lessons learned. It may not be exactly the same but the basic formats are still there...Nazi Germany and the Holocaust...Saddam Husseien and his mass graves. Chirac didn't want to learn from history. Bush did learn!
Posted by AF Lady 2004-06-05 9:04:10 PM||   2004-06-05 9:04:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 This on the Corner...from Normany speech by Reagan.

The leaders of [the WWII generation] saw the growing menace and talked of it but reacted to the growing military might of Germany with anguished passiveness. Will it be said of today's world leaders as it was of the pre-WWII leaders: "They were better the catastrophe than they were at preventing it"?

Chirac needs to take heed!
Posted by AF Lady 2004-06-05 9:07:57 PM||   2004-06-05 9:07:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 To quote Chirac's favorite historian, Karl Marx:

Hegel remarks somewhere that history tends to repeat itself. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.

The Eighteenth Brumiare of Louis Bonaparte
I think that France's lack of honor makes one want to ask what the tenth repetition signifies.
Posted by Eric Jablow  2004-06-05 10:25:54 PM||   2004-06-05 10:25:54 PM|| Front Page Top

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