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2004-05-25 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Rafael 2004-05-25 9:29:29 PM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I am sure that terrorists and cells have been trying to get something organized and implemented since 9-11. Chatter has been picked up from time to time, and I would imagine that much is used for disinformation to keep us occupied. The terrorist networks need some action in the US to get things going again, though soft targets in Europe seem to be somewhat successful. They know that there will be hell to pay for a big show in the US, but my guess is to do enough damage to US and other Western interests around the world to bring down our economy. Any way that they can do that is fair game for them. Like electronic terrorism, interruption of the oil supply and distribution chain, etc.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-05-25 9:43:34 PM|| 2004-05-25 9:43:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 But they wouldnât be so quick to dare to rouse the U.S. further, if the politicians in this country were maintaining a united front, âmy country, right or wrong,â attitude. What terrorists must realize (since anyone with half a brain knows it) is that one of the first responses to a new terrorist attack on U.S. soil would be from the likes of J.Fâing sKerry, claiming itâs all Bushâs fault! Never mind all the hindrances to investigations on U.S. soil and citizens, never mind all the problems with funding border patrols, never mind all the legal wrangles over clearing out the dead wood in gentrified federal bureaucracies, never mind . . .

Nope, the mantra from the Dimmiwits (with free publicity from their accomplices, the media) will be âItâs all Bushâs faultâ -- and a large percent of the population will believe it. So much for patriotism. For the sake of political advantage, J.Fâing sKerry sold out this country over the Vietnam conflict and he will try to do so again. THE MESSAGE MUST BE AMPLIFIED THAT THERE IS NO WAY TO PREVENT ANOTHER ATTACK, IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME AND PLACE. The question must be, âask not what your country will do to keep you safe, ask: What will you do to keep your country safe?â

Posted by cingold 2004-05-25 10:05:18 PM|| 2004-05-25 10:05:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 I could not agree more, cingold! Preach it, brother.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-25 10:12:52 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-25 10:12:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 We know that it will happen again. What worries me is not knowing how bad it will be, or where or when it will happen. I refuse to live in constant fear- some call that apathy- I call that reason.

Posted by Curious 2004-05-25 10:23:29 PM|| 2004-05-25 10:23:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 All we can do is vote (right), pay taxes, get involved in the political conversation any and every way we can and be prepared (get an emergency "kit" together at home of food, water, supplies, etc.).

Posted by Jen 2004-05-25 10:28:31 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-25 10:28:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 We can all keep an especially close eye on our muslim "friends". Be on the lookout for places where they are not....

Posted by Anonymous5004 2004-05-25 10:39:48 PM|| 2004-05-25 10:39:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 If there is an another attack. Declare war immediately. Use the constitution and it's laws regarding Treason and Sedition to there full power, Marshall law if necessary. Make the enemy nameless, faceless, lifeless or in a detention center, this would includes all who that have publicly aided and abetted the enemy in the News Media, Congressmen or Senators or any other idiot that hates and lives in this country. Then let the real Americans sort the rest of them out. It would be a good time for a blood letting. I just will not be in the mood for anything else.

Posted by Long Hair Republican 2004-05-25 10:41:45 PM|| 2004-05-25 10:41:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 If we get hit, it will be in either Detroit or Chicago. Both cities were cash cows for Al Quida, both have overly PC state and local governments, and both have large muslim populations. 9-11 support people were arrested in both towns after the atrocity in New York.

Posted by observer571 2004-05-25 10:44:16 PM|| 2004-05-25 10:44:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 This doesn't feel quite right. An anonymous source states that this is the most compelling intel we've had since 9/11 but there are no plans to raise the terror alert level. Come again? Isn't that why we have that silly color coded system in the first place? This feels more than a little like an attempt by the left to kick Bush while he's down ... and a good one. If the administration lets the rumor ride, the public's mood is turned further against the administration. If they deny it and something happens between now and the election (likely IMHO) the Dems pick up a nice issue with which to slam Bush. Looks like a lose/lose to me. I'm not saying that I'm certain this is the case but the circumstances here seem odd.

Posted by AzCat 2004-05-25 10:44:53 PM|| 2004-05-25 10:44:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Long Hair Republican: Declare war against who? Better Congress should issue a 'Letter of Reprisal' (powers granted to Congress) which is tailor made for this type of situation. It's MARTIAL LAW not Marshall. Sedition laws were declared unconstitutional in the 1790's, 1860's, and again in the 1920's. Treason is dificult to prove in a civilian court so the Feds don't even charge it, otherwise Jose Padilla would be on the end of a rope by now. And your call for mindless mob violence sounds just like your pals Mookie and Osama.

Posted by observer571 2004-05-25 10:53:04 PM|| 2004-05-25 10:53:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 observer571 - The various sections of 18 USC 115 give us a *lot* of leeway to stamp out seditious political movements and those who support them. Obviously until the situation becomes serious domestically this won't happen but I look for the debate as to whether Islam is primarily a religion or primarily a seditious political movement advocating the overthrow of our government to kick off the festivities. We're just not in dire enough straits yet to consider pulling these rarely used options out of the back of the legal playbook.

Posted by AzCat 2004-05-25 11:04:31 PM|| 2004-05-25 11:04:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 The above should have read "forthcoming debate".

Posted by AzCat 2004-05-25 11:05:21 PM|| 2004-05-25 11:05:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Sorry for the miss spelling of Martial there...
I do not have a doctorate on the constitution of the USA. But I do understand there is exceptions during time of war. And those are Sedition. Again we are not under a declaration of war so your right, Padilla has the power of YOUR pc crowd protection LAWYER. I am not going to split hairs with you regarding how I feel about what should be done. These are my feeling regarding this issue. I would feel honored in anyway possible to carry out acts of violence against my country's enemy's once given permission. Until that time comes, I will take the opportunity that Rantburg gives me in expressing my whole heart God, Guts and Guns, Stars and Bars, Liberty or Death, God Family Country ideal's. I will have run out of patience with people who want to talk about the legal aspects. Calling it mindless violence I think is wrong, I am not alone in this thought process. Most Americans from what I read around the Blogsphere feel a lot like I do, but might be a little more articulate in there expression. But I am not going to cower like some sissy. Not when a group of people has said nothing about remorse for the actions of there ilk. WAR MEANS WAR! I think we should have declared war back in 2001. We would be talking differently and Padilla would probably be dead.
So if another attack comes, so be it,
With that said, maybe you can enlighten me on acts of treason during the time of war. Then other than my miss spelling of the word "Martial" will render your comments mute.

Posted by Long Hair Republican 2004-05-25 11:29:37 PM|| 2004-05-25 11:29:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 In the meantime, don't be afraid, be ready.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-25 11:36:08 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-25 11:36:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I'm repeating this, a thought, from a few days ago.

Islam is not only a religion but a social/political/religion, all wrapeed up in one. That makes the religious aspect of islam sub the the political aspects. By proclaiming islam as political movement hostile to American freedom the legal argument is ready to take on the infection.

Posted by Lucky 2004-05-26 12:05:57 AM|| 2004-05-26 12:05:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 observer
It's true that sedition laws were declared unconstitutional at various times, but your phrasing is ambiguous and misleading. These rulings applied to specific acts and not to sedition laws in general. Very recently, sedition was among the formal charges levied against Army Captain James Yee. He was later exonerated but that has no bearing on the constitutionality of the charges.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-05-26 12:08:50 AM|| 2004-05-26 12:08:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Criticizing the war in Iraq does not constitute sedition. Sedition is incitement to rebel against the government. Whom, for example, would we arrest for that?

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-05-26 2:59:26 AM|| 2004-05-26 2:59:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 They know that there will be hell to pay for a big show in the US...

No, they don't.

What do they hear from the US? Do they hear us planning on where to go next? Do they hear us discussing which Muslim nation deserves to be pulled from the cesspool next? Do they hear us talking about the strengths of our culture, about the glories we've achieved? About how much better we provide for even the least among us?

Hell no.

They hear constant declarations that we've done nothing but failed since 9/11. They hear the only administration that's ever directly fought them called incompetent. They hear us declaring that "jaw jaw is better than war war" even after they've declared war and slaughtered 3,000 men, women, and children in our largest city.

They don't hear us planning their defeat; they hear us preparing for OUR defeat.

I don't think they expect us to be more energized after another attack. I think they expect us to be more frightened, more timid. I think they expect an even louder chorus of "why do they hate us?" and "we have only ourselves to blame" after the next attack. They expect to hear more declarations of failure, and more calls to change from the strategy of changing the failed societies to one of... well, is accomodation too strong a word? Certainly dhimmitude is, at least for the time being.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-05-26 7:14:48 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-05-26 7:14:48 AM|| Front Page Top

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