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2004-05-14 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Mike 2004-05-14 9:14:24 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I don't think that the public does understand. I don't think that 50% of America DOES get what we are up against.

The Nick Berg video, like 911 went a long way to opening America's eyes. But many will want to close them again.

The propagandists have declared all out war against us. Like the Boston Globe fake rape photos or the calls for Rumsfeld's head coming from Navy/Army Times's (civilian run and owned by Gannett) and military.com (recently purchased by monster.com), they and the usual suspects are now willing to expose the fact that their owners truly ARE anti-American. They don't have time to be subtle. They have to brainwash the public before November.

Those who play cards know what it means to go for broke. "They" are going for broke over this next election and "they" will give it every last measure of strength they can muster. Like the Boston Globe GI rape photos, you will see them stop making any effort to pretend that they are unbiased. Why bother to pretend anymore? This election is their last great fight...they know it and we should too.

All stops will be pulled for the November election. Don't assume GW will win, they are good at what they do....repeating lies until they become the truth. And other than the internet which is not influential enough yet to counter their force, they control what information is given. If we can't counter that somehow, Kerry will indeed win.

Those of us who grasp the precipice that we stand on better get down on our knees and pray that we can somehow counter this force, because our civilization as we know it today hangs in the balance.

Think I'm overreacting. Do a little research and see how long it took Hilter to fire up the Germans to hate the Jews. If we can't counter this force, we are screwed.

Posted by B 2004-05-14 9:53:07 AM|| 2004-05-14 9:53:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I dunno. I usually like what Ralph Peters has to say. And I think he's trustworthy. But, today he's calling for Rummy to step down, saying the troops don't respect him.

Posted by growler 2004-05-14 10:45:35 AM|| 2004-05-14 10:45:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 If someone wants to call for Rummy to step down for reasons of lack of leadership or whatever, fine..to each his own. But to call for Rumsfeld to step down over the actions of AG is silly - for the reasons VDH stated above.

And who designated Ralp Peters to be the spokesperson for "the troops"? I didn't know they had a spokesperson who could speak for each and everyone of them. Amazing.

And...your link is bad.

Posted by B 2004-05-14 10:54:23 AM|| 2004-05-14 10:54:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Peters is speaking for the Cold War holdovers and politically correct Clinton Generals whose ox Rumsfeld is goring. Let's not kid ourselves that there is a battle going on internally for control of the military and its future. How we could allow the military to fall into the hands of the Karpinskis is beyond me.

Posted by Mr. Davis 2004-05-14 11:11:23 AM|| 2004-05-14 11:11:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Just checked the link, and it works fine.

Anyways, he doesn't say Rummy should resign over the prison stuff. Even if you don't agree with his conclusion, the things he cites that make him think that way do bear some consideration.

Posted by growler 2004-05-14 11:43:42 AM|| 2004-05-14 11:43:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I heard he was being treated like a rock-star in Iraq by the troops. He's a great SecDef.

Posted by Lucky 2004-05-14 12:04:24 PM|| 2004-05-14 12:04:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 #4, I think Peters probably speaks for a certain segment of the Army, in particular. That segment dislikes the changes Rumsfeld has brought and fundamentally distrusts the transformation to a high-tech, joint-ops model where the old front line / rear echelon distinction was clear and the goals were simple: attrition of the enemy and control of territory.

Now we have Army officers negotiating relationships with tribal leaders and rebuilding schools. Some aren't happy about that.

Posted by True, true 2004-05-14 12:18:26 PM|| 2004-05-14 12:18:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Well, THAT last comment was mangled ...

I meant to say, that I think Peters speaks for some old-school Army types. They are very comfortable with old distinctions, old ways of doing things.

The trouble is, the world has changed. And while not all of what Rumsfeld has been able to accomplish has worked, in general I think Rummy's right and Peters and his gang are wrong on the basics.

It will be a long time and probably never again when we'll see large scale "force on force" wars of the kind the old school Army officers were trained for and are comfortable with. The reason we'll won't see it again in any likely recognizable way is that technology has fundamentally changed the possibilities - and the risks - of war.

Rumsfeld gets that. It's not just about asymmetric warfare against this particular enemy, violent Islamacist fundamentalism. In an age of precision guided weapons, robotic reconnaisance equipment etc. etc. the Army Peters served admirably in is a relic.

Certainly it's possible to overtrust technology. I suspect, however, that in Iraq Rumsfeld wasn't making that particular mistake. Instead, he was determined IMO to meet our objectives without so controlling the situation that no Iraqi leadership would ever effectively evolve. The Iraqis HAVE to take responsibility for stability in their country. Rumsfeld knows that. Peters thinks if we had more boots on the ground we could do the job ourselves.

I know and respect a lot of Army officers. But I think Rumsfeld is right & a few of them who think like Peters are wrong. Peters' article today is payback for the fact that that old-guard Army cadre has been drug kicking and screaming into a new, uncertain and (for them) uncomfortable age.

We have a lot of experimenting to do before we find the right model for the next 20 yrs or so ... but the old model clearly is not and never was going to be adequate anymore. Give it up, Ralph. And you too, Hackworth.

Posted by True, true 2004-05-14 12:29:13 PM|| 2004-05-14 12:29:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 He and Meyers were treated like stars by the troops. Peters is starting to believe his own bilge

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-14 12:34:46 PM|| 2004-05-14 12:34:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 True, true. I thought that myself regarding the end of large scale military formations ever being used again ala Euro defense models. But if a Syria is going to be engaged it will be by the old way, me thinks.

Posted by Lucky 2004-05-14 1:56:39 PM|| 2004-05-14 1:56:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Peters is the mouthpiece for the Army old guard. So whether Peters is right or wrong, his editorial will only reinforce Rumsfeld's opinion that the Army brass is personally disloyal to him and his vision. I predict a big witch hunt after this.

Posted by 11A5S 2004-05-14 2:20:34 PM|| 2004-05-14 2:20:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I predict a big witch hunt after this.

It's only a witch hunt when you are hunting something that doesn't exist. In this case people will "decide" not to re-up.

Posted by Steve 2004-05-14 2:36:33 PM|| 2004-05-14 2:36:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#13
Re: #8

It will be a long time and probably never again when we'll see large scale "force on force" wars of the kind the old school Army officers were trained for and are comfortable with. The reason we'll won't see it again in any likely recognizable way is that technology has fundamentally changed the possibilities - and the risks - of war.

One word. China.

-AR

Posted by Analog Roam 2004-05-14 2:57:50 PM|| 2004-05-14 2:57:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 And just who, pray tell, would replace Mr.Rumsfeld? Les Aspin, McCainiac, Cohen? Anybody? Beumiller?

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