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2004-05-05 Africa: Subsaharan

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Posted by Zenster 2004-05-05 11:59:52 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Jehadie brigades in Syria are being redirected by Jihadie Joint Central Command (JJCC) to Nigeria by a car-bomb convoy.

A senior spokesman for JJCC said that Nigeria is a holy place where the prophet slay a dragon. "We have stolen many cars and they are loaded and ready to go. Once on scene we will recruit the drivers and do honor for islam."

Posted by Lucky 2004-05-05 12:30:19 PM|| 2004-05-05 12:30:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Damn. My sympathy meter seems to be dead. The "payback's a bitch" meter's running crazy, though.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-05-05 12:52:11 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-05-05 12:52:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 I tend to doubt it. I imagine it'll continue to see-saw back and forth with Muslims attacking and Christians reacting, but gradually losing ground. Christianity isn't a crusading religion anymore, whereas Islam is.

I doubt it's just me that foresees a massive backlash against Islam in all forms. If both sides are stupid enough to wait until there is a nuclear terror attack, there could be potentially devastating repercussions for all Muslims. They are nigh well pariahs as it stands. A few more atrocities and it will be open season in a nasty way.

My personal sympathy meter blew its coils on 9-11 and the tolerance meter is pegging more frequently every day. My "payback's a bitch" meter isn't even anywhere near its red-line yet. However, my "hurt 'em bad" indicator board is all bright green lights.

Posted by Zenster 2004-05-05 2:45:16 PM|| 2004-05-05 2:45:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 My "payback's a bitch" meter isn't even anywhere near its red-line yet. However, my "hurt 'em bad" indicator board is all bright green lights.
You know, I don't know how much more of your Nuke Nut babbling I can take.
It's gotten to the point where I dread seeing your name on the comments because I know it's some hot-headed "Bombs away with Curtis Lemay" spew.
Look: Either admit that you've been wrong--DEAD WRONG- about President Bush and the job he's been doing as the elected President and as the Commander-in-Chief
or
Shut up with the "Kill them all and let God or John Kerry sort them out."
John Kerry isn't gonna fight the WOT in any way.
He wants to turn US troops over to the UN for "peacekeeping missions" in 3rd world hellholes like Rwanda.
You CANNOT have it both ways.
Either embrace Bush and realize that he's pursuing the war as aggressively as he can, but not as crazily proactive as you'd like
or
Stay with the Liberals and realize that they hate the Military and the use of the military for any reason other than 3rd party peacekeeping where US interests aren't involved.

Choose. Today.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-05 2:58:56 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-05 2:58:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Right wing troll fight!!!!!

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 3:00:26 PM|| 2004-05-05 3:00:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 IMO, the history of past posting suggests that Zenster probably has ulterior motives -- he voices strong support (to the point of overkill) for positions obviously near and dear to many who visit this blog -- and then (here and there, thrown in as if afterthoughts) mocks Bush and the validity of his presidency, without any proof to back up the slander. Zenster, just because you sound pro-military doesnât mean youâre not just a DU operative (or equivalent) out to slam Bush. The lack of realism to the gung ho, âpro-militaryâ solutions you spout makes me question your sincerity. Please persuade me otherwise, if you think Iâm wrong.

Posted by cingold 2004-05-05 3:08:00 PM|| 2004-05-05 3:08:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Â "Right wing troll fight!!!!!
Not really, lh.
It's an absolute plea for CONSISTENCY of thought, ideology and beliefs.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-05 3:15:18 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-05 3:15:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 CG - why? The whole set of clash of civilizations, Islam is THE problem, islamonut, and related memes seems to me to be almost DIAMETRICALLY opposite to everything the Bush admin is trying to accomplish in the WOT. Of course from the point of view of most of people who hold these viewpoints ANY dem is a hundred times worse, on domestic even more than on foreign policy grounds. So theres more than a bit of "cognitive dissonance" going on. Which is usually resolved by the claim that Bush doesnt really mean what he says, that he says "its a war against those whove hijacked a great religion" just cause thats PC, etc. If you look at Condis past, or Wolfies, or anyone elses in the admin, you just dont see the red meat attitude toward Islam you see here, and in many cases (very notably Wolfie's) you see the exact opposite. Maybe Zenster just realizes this, as most of the red meat crowd dont.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 3:20:02 PM|| 2004-05-05 3:20:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 zen seems pretty damn consistent to me, Zen. "I hate all muslims, Bush dont, so screw Bush" Rather too LGFish for my tastes, but not inconsistent at all. Not very politically savvy I suppose - but then you might as well call Nader voters inconsistent, and closet rightists. Or even Dean voters. No monopoly on ideological rigidity trumping political savvy. Of course the ideologically rigid tend to say that theyre more concerned with altering the long run dialogue than with the outcome of a given election. "dimes worth of difference" and all that. And sometimes their right.

Whether they are this time is too hard tell. When youve got one candidate who regularly switches positions, against another whose own administration manages to run at least two competing foreign policies simultaneously (and dont tell me that this is the product of the liberal press - you could gather it just reading the Weekly Standard, the National Review, and the Washington Time)

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 3:26:48 PM|| 2004-05-05 3:26:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 oops, should have been "to me Jen"

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 3:28:08 PM|| 2004-05-05 3:28:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 You're dancing Liberalhawk (typical Lib).
You're expecting Bush and members of his Administration (I take it that by "Wolfie" you mean Paul Wolfowitz?) to take extreme positions in public on radical Islam.
That's not going to happen--at least not yet.
President Bush realizes that there are both Muslim-Americans and over a billion Muslims worldwide in the world in which the USA moves as the lone hyperpower.
He's not going to alienate these people by denigrating their religion because it's been hijacked by the radical Waahabs to wage terror war.
We all know who the Enemy is.
The "red meat" crowd--by this, do you mean most Americans, the "silent majority"?--who "get it" without Bush screaming about it like Zipperhead don't need for the President to declare a "crusade."
And he's trying to keep a benign face on American tolerace for Islam (as opposed to Islamism) for the benefit of the countries we're militarily involved in and are concerned with in the Middle East. (This IS a World War, you know.)
The folks in Afghanistan, Iraq and the rest of the Middle East, Africa and Asia are watching our every move and most of them have had one form or another of Islam shoved down their throats for decades, if not centuries.
Among the concepts that America exports is RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE and Secular Government, along with capitalism and democracy.
When you are fighting an enemy whose guiding principle is Religious IN-tolerance, this is critical.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-05 3:30:52 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-05 3:30:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Liberalhawk, I have pointed out elsewhere (here at RB) that the largest Muslim nation on the face of the earth practices a fairly eclectic and tolerant form of Islam (SIDE NOTE: The human rights abuses of Indonesia have far more to do with politics, corruption, and culture, than with Islam). Zenster's gung ho, "pro-military" "solutions(?)" throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water, and (accordingly) make me question his sincerity. Regarding Islam as a religion, textual criticism and hermeneutics have been used in more than one religion to create doctrinal change (maybe it can be used in a positive way, in this case).

Posted by cingold 2004-05-05 3:45:02 PM|| 2004-05-05 3:45:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 He's not going to alienate these people by denigrating their religion because it's been hijacked by the radical Waahabs to wage terror war.

But several posters here dont seem to think that Wahabism is the problem, they think ALL islam is the problem, and that the problem is rooted deep in the Koran itself, NOT in the ideology of Wahab.

We all know who the Enemy is.
The "red meat" crowd--by this, do you mean most Americans, the "silent majority"?

By the red meat crowd i mean the ones who group all muslims, sunni,shia, wahabi, etc into one great lump, who make vile remarks about muslims and islam, etc,

American tolerace for Islam (as opposed to Islamism) for the benefit of the countries we're militarily involved in and are concerned with in the Middle East.

the people i refer to as the 'red meat' crowd think all those people in all those countries hate us anyway, regardless of what we do or say. That the only distinction is those who hate us openly, versus those who will turn and stab us in the back. From which they deduce that we might as well use both scorched earth tactics and rhetoric. Now I dont agree, but I dont see this as inconsistent.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 4:05:27 PM|| 2004-05-05 4:05:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Nor do I, liberalhawk, but your friend Zenster is in the group you just described.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-05 4:07:10 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-05 4:07:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 and oh yeah, by Wolfie I certainly mean Paul Wolfowitz - i mean no disrespect in calling him that - I think hes the smartest dude in the admin, and one of the reasons i may yet vote for Bush in November.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 4:07:12 PM|| 2004-05-05 4:07:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 CG - well I agree with you (WRT Indonesia, Islam, etc) but you do see that there are a number of other posters who take a much harder line on Islam than you or I do, and who yet support the administration, and quite loudly at that. I think they are rather more inconsistent than Zenster.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 4:09:28 PM|| 2004-05-05 4:09:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 well, er yeah, thats my point Jen. But there are some red meaters who think that the admin is on their side. Seems to me theyre the ones with the consistency problem.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 4:10:27 PM|| 2004-05-05 4:10:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Political reality intervenes...gotta have the veggies with the red meat once in a while

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-05 4:12:22 PM|| 2004-05-05 4:12:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Liberalhawk, most of us can't figure *which* group Zenny's in-that's the problem, which is why I asked him to pick.
He professes hatred for Bush, is mute about the rest of the Admin, and yet keeps trying to egg on our country as exemplified by RBers (led by whom as CiC, only Zenny knows. Himself, I guess.) to "go nuclear" on all Muslims everywhere.
It's vexing to read and try to process to say the least.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-05 4:15:35 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-05 4:15:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 INTEROFFICE MEMORANDUM

To: My Fellow Rantburgers

From: Raj

RE: Use of Terminology

Old phrase - Troll fight

New phrase - Flame war

Thanks.

Posted by Raj 2004-05-05 4:55:59 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com] 2004-05-05 4:55:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 nah, raj, valuable contributors can enter into a flamewar - like when Aris and Bulldog go at it, for example. A troll fight is a subset of a flamewar, involving two trolls of various opinions. I confess, to flaming, and almost trolling, by calling the zenster - jen dispute a troll fight. I will refrain in future for the sake of the site.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-05 5:10:56 PM|| 2004-05-05 5:10:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Good man, liberalhawk!
And Raj, the term "flame war" is for trivial matters.
What we're discussing here is substantive and important.
Whole different deal, really.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-05 5:14:24 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-05 5:14:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Liberalhawk - careful there: Raj and Aris have a doozy of a dispute in the article "Israel Kills Hamas Top Man"

Posted by BigEd 2004-05-05 5:30:18 PM|| 2004-05-05 5:30:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Either embrace Bush

LOL. I just wanna hold hands.

Posted by Shipman 2004-05-05 5:53:14 PM|| 2004-05-05 5:53:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 A Good Troll Fight is Extremely Rare.

Ima remember when Aris and Murat went head to head over Cyprus. It was a magic moment. I'm still picking kernels out of my teeths.

Posted by Shipman 2004-05-05 5:55:26 PM|| 2004-05-05 5:55:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Yeap.entertainment of the highest order,Ship

Posted by raptor 2004-05-05 7:04:10 PM|| 2004-05-05 7:04:10 PM|| Front Page Top

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