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2004-04-29 Home Front: Culture Wars
Intruder's killer: 'I had no choice'
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Posted by Steve 2004-04-29 10:48:58 AM|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Some opponents of the law predicted a large increase in self-defense-type shootings.

And this is a problem, how?

Detroit's run by the criminals. If the sheep start shooting back, it might get dangerous.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-04-29 11:05:46 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-04-29 11:05:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 He was an ex-con with five children and..

I fail to see the value in mentioning that the guy was a father of five kids. He could have sired fifteen little brats and I still would have applauded Ms. Holland's actions.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-04-29 11:09:27 AM||   2004-04-29 11:09:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 In Minneasota, we have had conceal carry for over a year. Lately, lawn signs have been popping up saying "Repeal Conceal" from a group called "MInneasotans against being shot".....typical lefty hyperbole as there have been no increase in shootings since conceal carry passed.
Posted by debbie 2004-04-29 11:24:51 AM||   2004-04-29 11:24:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 debbie...We should put signs that read: We Conceal and Will Reveal Should You Violate my Castle.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-04-29 11:29:47 AM||   2004-04-29 11:29:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Detroit......where the weak are killed and eaten. A t-shirt I used to have growing up there.

Before I joined the Corps I worked downtown, I used to carry (yes, it was illegal at the time) but I figured I'd rather take the chance then having some a-hole put a bullet in me or a shiv in my back over the $25 in my wallet or car keys. A couple times when "un-friendlys" would watch me a little too closely from across the street as I got in and out of my car a simple flash of the pistol grip of my Glock in my waist band or under my coat would quickly disperse them.
That's the interesting thing, just the knowledge that I have a firearm defuses the situation, no one gets shot or killed and criminals get deterred - that's the point the far left cannot or will not grasp.
Posted by Jarhead 2004-04-29 11:44:44 AM||   2004-04-29 11:44:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 DF, I always liked "if you're found here tonight, you'll be found here tomorrow."
Posted by Jarhead 2004-04-29 11:46:04 AM||   2004-04-29 11:46:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-29 11:51:40 AM||   2004-04-29 11:51:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Antiwar, you miss the point. The intruder was ALREADY armed. I was involved in a similar situation as Jarhead. All that was required was a showing of my 1911A1 and no one got hurt. If I hadn't had it I would have been hurt. There is no way someone is going to take a firearm out of my hand before I can use it. Someone can, however, take a phone out of my hand before I can call 911 and get the police there.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-04-29 12:02:45 PM||   2004-04-29 12:02:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 However do you think their is a possibility in this type scenario the home invader could wrestle the gun out of the home owners hand and kill them with their own weapon.

Not if they have a slug in the skull.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-04-29 12:07:07 PM||   2004-04-29 12:07:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-29 12:14:53 PM||   2004-04-29 12:14:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Good shooting Barbara! I get a kick out of signs stuck in someone's yard - "this home protected by so-and-so security system". I choose to believe my 1st Marine Division and NRA decals on my back and front doors give the bad guys a hint as to what may come their way.
Posted by Doc8404 2004-04-29 12:15:54 PM||   2004-04-29 12:15:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Antiwar. I appreciate your concerns. However, that is why there are thousands of gun saftey and usage classes across the country. As well, some tactical and strategic considerations by a gun owner goes a long way. Should I opt to defend my home with a gun, you can bet your bum that I will have thought through all possibilities.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-04-29 12:19:55 PM||   2004-04-29 12:19:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Antiwar is a fake -- she pretends to be a nice, concerned liberal, but s/he gets real nasty when support for islamofascists (including undermining Western society and values) is confronted too directly. So as not to waste bandwidth, you can read the Same Story, Different Day right here.
Posted by cingold 2004-04-29 12:24:54 PM||   2004-04-29 12:24:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-29 12:25:23 PM||   2004-04-29 12:25:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-29 12:27:09 PM||   2004-04-29 12:27:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Uht oh.
Posted by Dragon Fly  2004-04-29 12:28:49 PM||   2004-04-29 12:28:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Cingold you are a twat.

Looks suspiciously like the reaction that cockroaches exhibit when the lights are turned on.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-04-29 12:41:17 PM||   2004-04-29 12:41:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 And awaaaaaay we go!
Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-04-29 12:44:29 PM||   2004-04-29 12:44:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Oh no! She, he, it, them Antiwar(s) are back! And don’t they sound so polite today.

Antiwar--Mistress of Mohammed (the "prophet" from days of yore, who molested 9 year-old girls, and who's followers do the same)

Antibrainwar -- that phony “christian”, that great extoler and champion of non-violent confrontation of Islamic psuedo-men who are trying to take over the planet by force ("Quit it, Ahmed, I said quit it now, or else, or else . . . I said quit it!)

Antimatter -- that archetype of "Whatever"-ness asks:

" . . . Do you think their is a possibility in this type scenario the home invader could wrestle the gun out of the home owners hand and kill them with their own weapon."

From you, yes.

But "no worries "--(see, I can be Australian, too)--Pakistani Princess Antiwar(s), you can always just talk to the assailant about the virtues of "peace " instead, unless of course, you're too busy wishing him to die of cancer.

#13 Ex-lib you indeed deserve to die slowly maybe from a cancer that attacks all your bones and organs you are so filled with evil venom and hatred you probably will. (Posted by: Antiwar  2004-04-26 1:00:05 PM)

or are too busy "threatening" him that he will not enter your Islamic resting place of eternal idiocy:

#64 Ex-lib You are indeed an Agent of Satan. May you swallow your pride and ask for God's forgiveness. If you do not you risk permanent annihilation and will not share in the Earthly Paradise He has planned for the righteous. (Posted by: Antiwar-Confronter  2004-04-26 3:06:40 PM )

Hey, Antibrain--will you please break into my house? Will ya, huh? Will ya?

Cockroach hunting strategy tips:

#1) Antiwar will never denounce any of the atrocities being carried out by Islamic hooligans anywhere in the world, no matter how terrible. Doing so would offend her, his, its, their, Islamic employers in the UK, and they would find Antiwar guilty of violating Islamic “law."

#2) Antiwar(s) is a troll. You can feed it, get it satiated and then go in for the kill, OR you can ignore it, starve it and let it slip into oblivion. Either way accomplishes the same goal.

Note: I’ve started compiling a list of all of the nasty, derogatory, quips and hostile, ugly, war-like things Antiwar(s) says. At some point I’ll publish it for. Let’s see, the Antiwar attack of the day started with: “Cingold, you are a twat. “ Okay . . . “twat ” goes on the list.
Posted by ex-lib 2004-04-29 3:02:16 PM||   2004-04-29 3:02:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 "An armed society is a polite society."
-- R.A. Heinlein
Posted by snellenr  2004-04-29 3:29:48 PM||   2004-04-29 3:29:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Does Michigan have a recall law in case the procecutor goes against his better judgement, and decides to make trouble for Ms. Holland?
Posted by BigEd 2004-04-29 3:56:45 PM||   2004-04-29 3:56:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 I'm disgusted at this whole thread. What Barbara did was very dangerous and I disapprove. She shot a burgler, not a zombie, and should have aimed for the center of mass not the head.
Posted by ruprecht 2004-04-29 4:17:50 PM||   2004-04-29 4:17:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Odd duck
Posted by Shipman 2004-04-29 4:25:36 PM||   2004-04-29 4:25:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 ruprecht: a head shot is the best way to stop someone. They will not be a threat any more after a 9mm to the punkin'.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-04-29 4:41:14 PM||   2004-04-29 4:41:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 
that's the point the far left cannot or will not grasp.
That's "will not," Jarhead.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-04-29 6:49:50 PM||   2004-04-29 6:49:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Deacon Blues, you may be right but any military or police training course will tell you to shoot for the center of mass. Heads are small compared to torsos.
Posted by ruprecht 2004-04-29 8:44:10 PM||   2004-04-29 8:44:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 true, but given a distance of a couple feet, I'd press the barrel between the eyes first....helps with the blowback mess
Posted by Frank G  2004-04-29 8:48:35 PM||   2004-04-29 8:48:35 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Antiwar 2004-04-29 11:51:40 AM||   2004-04-29 11:51:40 AM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Antiwar 2004-04-29 12:14:53 PM||   2004-04-29 12:14:53 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Antiwar 2004-04-29 12:25:23 PM||   2004-04-29 12:25:23 PM|| Front Page Top

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