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2004-04-17 Europe

Germany worried al-Qaeda a model for neo-Nazis

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-04-17 12:18:09 AM|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Is this like a Hunter/ Gatherer life model? Thinking grest thoughts.

Posted by Lucky 2004-04-17 1:21:58 AM|| 2004-04-17 1:21:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 It's also harder for free-lance brownshirts to actually accomplish anything against the state. They relegate themselves to the level of being an irritation that can be scratched by good police work.

Posted by Fred 2004-04-17 10:12:35 AM|| 2004-04-17 10:12:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 So now they're worried about the neo-Nazis, after tolerating them for years as long as they just bothered Jews. And let's not even mention the jihadis in Hamburg and elsewhere they ignored, as long as they just killed Americans.

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. (My apologies to decent dogs everywhere.)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-04-17 11:09:33 AM|| 2004-04-17 11:09:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Looksmart has an interesting article on the Nazi Werewolves here
Of interest, is how they were eventually supressed.

Posted by tipper 2004-04-17 11:23:24 AM|| 2004-04-17 11:23:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 IIRC, something like this happened a couple of times in Wurzburg, until they picked on an Imbis favored by a bunch of black American soldiers stationed there. They fished a few German neoNazis out of the local rivers with every major bone in their bodies broken. Nobody ever figured out who did it, but Imbis owners had no more problems from ANYBODY.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-04-17 1:04:13 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-04-17 1:04:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Nazis and radical Muslims are simliar in certain ways, and even if it sounds illogical, I believe there is a relationship. No doubt, both will get a major can of American whoopass, like they have before!

Posted by CobraCommander 2004-04-17 3:18:33 PM|| 2004-04-17 3:18:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 There is nothing RIGHT-WING about a bloody neo-nazi. NAZIS are LEFT-WINGERS -- totalitarians. A German Nazi is an Italian Fascist who is a Russian Stalinist who is a German Marxist....

Posted by Anonymous 2004-04-17 4:17:25 PM|| 2004-04-17 4:17:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Anonymous> Even using the particular meaningless conventions of "left-wing" and "right-wing", left-winger isn't the same as "totalitarian".

Using modern day conventions of "right-wing" and "left-wing", Nazis seem to be on the social far right-wing (social reactionaries instead of progressives), on the foreign-relationships far right-wing (extreme chauvinists and racists instead of internationalists) and having a wider range of opinion in the economical spectrum that would probably define them as centrists.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-04-17 4:47:24 PM|| 2004-04-17 4:47:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Relatively fair article. Recently were arrests in Munich of a gang of Neo-Nazis preparing a bomb-attack on the to-be-built new Jewish Synagogue there. (almost 4 pounds of TNT were found)

German Neo-Nazis also discovered Anti-Americanism since 9/11 and - since open Anti-Semitism is illegal here - a "solidarity for Palestinians", like wearing palestinian scarfs, usually a leftist symbol, to demonstrate covertly their anti-semitism. (and ironically, some of the leftist groups today are very pro-Israel - the old labels don't fit anymore).

Though let's keep this in proportion - they are dangerous, but very small in numbers.

The comment about "structual organized terrorism is easier to combat" is only for the gallery, it doesn't exist like this. Terror-groups are usually small here.....duh. RAF was also very small and law enforcement has still not figured out who the "third generation of RAF" was who had struck until about 1992 and then ceased to act.

Posted by da German 2004-04-17 6:38:30 PM|| 2004-04-17 6:38:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 @tipper #4:

The article on "Werwolf" is quite rubbish. I stopped reading on the first page.

"Werwolf" was almost completely a PR-myth to hold up the German spirit, like the "Wunderwaffen" or the "Volkssturm". Their only real major deed was the killing of the Aachener Mayor in March 1945 - which was exploited for PR-reasons by Goebbels still then. For "Werwolf", only a few hundred Hitler-youth and tired war-veterans were trained for a period of 10-14 days, but even that got never off the ground. It was mostly only a reason for a big scare amongst Allied troops at first, because no one knew how believable the propaganda was.

And the mentioned myth on Bersarin was that the NKWD murdered him, not Werwolf, LOL. (NKWD = predecessor of the KGB). Bersarin was not without opponents for allegedly wanting a "communism with a friendly face". In reality, the known bike-crazy Bersarin crashed with his motorcycle into a Soviet truck. It might have been staged by NKWD, sure...but no evidence.

Posted by da German 2004-04-17 6:47:39 PM|| 2004-04-17 6:47:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Fascism was a fusion of socialism, nationalism to the point of racism (even in Italy; see Mussolini's vows to restore "the glory of Rome" followed by first invading Ethiopia...), and a thin gloss of "third way" rhetoric intended to differentiate it from the other brand of totalitarian politics of the day, communism.

It's also critical to remember that many of the "unique" evils of Fascism were the "progressive" cause celebre of the era. Hell, if you're ever bored, do a compare-and-contrast with the Nazi blood-and-soil mythos and modern multiculturalism. Or with the infamous "occult" practices of some of the Nazi leaders and modern "New Age" spiritualism.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-04-17 7:40:13 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-04-17 7:40:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 yep--the fascination with the occult has a parallel with Nancy Reagan and her astrologist

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2004-04-18 2:03:28 AM|| 2004-04-18 2:03:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Come on, NMM, say it! Reagan = Hitler, right?

Posted by Raj 2004-04-18 2:06:45 AM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com/] 2004-04-18 2:06:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Leave Nancy alone!
She sad she consulted an astrologer after RR was shot, because she was so freaked out about his "future" and wanted to know he'd be OK.
It's a very understandable, but silly thing to have done.
Nancy was a lovely First Lady and she's an exemplary wife to one of our greatest Presidents as he lies dying with Alzheimer's.

Posted by Jen 2004-04-18 2:47:40 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-04-18 2:47:40 AM|| Front Page Top

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