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2004-03-03 
Congressional Black Caucus: Bush helped rebels oust Aristide
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Posted by Steve White 2004-03-03 00:17|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Way to cut your constituency off at the knees guys. Hope the tin foil hats help your re-election chances.
Posted by Mr. Davis  2004-3-3 12:29:38 AM||   2004-3-3 12:29:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 What a bunch of fuck@#s.

"Hey Bertrand, there's an open seat on a return flight to Port of Piss. Chicken entrails sez come on!
Posted by Anonymous 2004-3-3 12:44:09 AM||   2004-3-3 12:44:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I don't understand. I admit to knowing little about Haiti. Why was the CBC so attached to Aristide? How does the Haitian population feel about this? I saw quite a bit of rejoicing on the news.

I suspect more than ideological attachment from the CBC. I suspect corruption and payments.
Posted by Tokyo Taro 2004-3-3 1:28:23 AM||   2004-3-3 1:28:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Tokyo Taro, because they were convinced that the autocrat was telling them the truth when he said he was a good person and then they ignored when he became a thug. So now they have to support him or they'll look stupid. Plus it's an opportunity to be on the opposite side of bush.

Pretty much the answer is the CBC is run by a combination of morons and scum.
Posted by Damn_Proud_American  2004-3-3 1:33:21 AM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com]  2004-3-3 1:33:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Tokyo Taro, because they were convinced that the autocrat was telling them the truth when he said he was a good person and then they ignored when he became a thug. So now they have to support him or they'll look stupid. Plus it's an opportunity to be on the opposite side of bush.

Pretty much the answer is the CBC is run by a combination of morons and scum.
Posted by Damn_Proud_American  2004-3-3 1:33:24 AM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com]  2004-3-3 1:33:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 OK...WTF! This just shows the rediculous blind hatred the Donks have for Bush. It's so bad, they concoct conspiracy theories in order to justify their empty, pathetic attacks on the president. And not just the CBC, and Rangel mind you...Pelosi got in the act and sucked on her foot also. I always suspected she was a "shrimper". (shudder)
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-3-3 1:35:41 AM||   2004-3-3 1:35:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Thanks Rex, for that mental image. It'll take at least a week to get rid of it.
Posted by Steve White  2004-3-3 1:50:36 AM||   2004-3-3 1:50:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#8  jba was heard to mumble as he was rushed on the plane--pieds,ne me faisez pas echouer maintenant
Posted by SON OF TOLUI 2004-3-3 2:34:04 AM||   2004-3-3 2:34:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 â€œEveryone has said that they don’t agree with what President Aristide did in terms of treating the opposition, but the way [he was removed] is severely troubling.”

So basically, he was a bad guy, but should have stayed in power? With the rebels coming for his head, I don't think that is much an option.

I have a little sympathy for the process argument, but sometimes when the situation is as bad as it is in Haiti, flying Aristide out seems to have been the best of a bad situation. The best option available. Otherwise, he and his family would be dead.

The CBC can whine all they like, but I doubt Aristide will be hopping a flight home soon.
Posted by Ben  2004-3-3 5:01:07 AM||   2004-3-3 5:01:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 #3 Tokyo Taro: I don't understand. I admit to knowing little about Haiti. Why was the CBC so attached to Aristide?

Start off with the understanding that Aristide is a Socialist. Then one might expect support from Socialists in this country. There is an organization called The Democratic Socialists of America which is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. DSA's members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and politics. One of these progressive movements is called the Progressive Caucus.

All the members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) quoted in the article, with the exception of CBC chairman Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), are also members of the Progressive Caucus. Those known socialists voicing concern over the fate of the Socialist, Aristide: Rep. Donald Payne (D-N.J.), Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), Rep. Major Owens (D-N.Y.), Rep. Donald Payne (D-N, Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)are all members of the Progressive Caucus. (As mentioned in an earlier rant, Corrine Brown is also a member of the PC.)

So the reason why the CBC is so attached to Aristide, Tokyo, is that socialists must stick together. (It's for the children, ya know.)



Posted by GK 2004-3-3 7:39:22 AM||   2004-3-3 7:39:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Aristide was a NUTCASE and everyone knew it. No doubt that when he left he saw a vast army in black fatigues and helicopters circling overhead. The CBC has shown its true ?color? with their latest rants about Aristide. The progressive caucus loves Aristide beause he is a socialists and a defrocked priest. If he was gay that would be the trifecta!
Posted by Cyber Sarge  2004-3-3 8:49:24 AM||   2004-3-3 8:49:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 They demanded conclusive evidence that the Haitian leader — whose 2000 election victory was internationally condemned as fraudulent — was not forced out at gunpoint.

Ah, yes. Their favorite tactic of the last few years -- demanding that sane people prove a negative.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-3-3 8:51:20 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-3-3 8:51:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Let's see if I have this right. If you intervene in another country ruled by a homicidal despot (say, Iraq), the the intervention is criminal. But if you don't intervene in a country ruled by a homicidal despot (say, Haiti), then the non-intervention is criminal. But it you do intervene so as not to be labled a criminal (say, Haiti), then you're a criminal. Oh, I get it. It was the logic that, for a moment, escaped me.
Posted by Highlander 2004-3-3 10:10:32 AM||   2004-3-3 10:10:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 The CBC has proven (yet again) that they will take the word of almost any nut job over the word of the President, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, etc. The CBC and most of the Dems will oppose any action taken by President Bush, regardless of whether or not the action was the right thing to do. It is reflexive, unthinking, discriminatory behavior (just like racism).
Posted by Tibor 2004-3-3 10:13:54 AM||   2004-3-3 10:13:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Don't look now but Kerry (and his kids) are bellowing about poor Aristide. And I thought the election would be boring!
Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)  2004-3-3 10:30:18 AM||   2004-3-3 10:30:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 "...prove that Aristide was not kidnapped."

C'mon, guys, all ya gotta do is prove a negative. What's the matter?

Schmucks.
Posted by mojo  2004-3-3 10:52:43 AM||   2004-3-3 10:52:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Tokyo Taro: Leon Podesta, who was a one time Chief of Staff to Clinton and other upper echelon Clinton cronies have extensive investments in companies that are affiliated with Aristide and his cronies. For example, I once read that when Haitians either call home to Haiti from America, or when Haitians call their friends/relatives in America that they pay really inflated prices because there is supposedly only one carrier in Haiti that handles international calls and that Leon Podesta and other Clinton cronies are or were major stockholders in this phone carrier which price gouges. There are supposedly other such scams going on in which Clinton cronies are scandously reaping millions from business deals that are dependent on upper-level Haitian governmental decisions. I don't think it was a Clinton plan/conspiracy, but I think things sort of fell into place this way as time went by. The CBC is obviously beholden to Clinton and they probably are invested in Aristide remaining in power. Probably the majority of the Haitian population doesn't know anything about all of this, and they probably don't care. Some realize that Aristide is a thug and they know that the Democrats are his supporters here in the U.S.A. and they probably don't give a rat's ass about the CBC. Obviously some Haitians are in Aristide's camp and they probably welcome the CBC's pro-Aristide gestures.
Posted by Geoffrey M. LaMear 2004-3-3 12:19:00 PM||   2004-3-3 12:19:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 And the CBC wonders why the majority of America does not take them seriously. This group of buffoons, clowns, and bottlewashers make Traficant look like a saint.

The most amazing thing to me is that these idiots keep getting elected. Says a lot about those who vote for them
Posted by alaskasoldier 2004-3-3 12:27:46 PM||   2004-3-3 12:27:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Let me get this straight. First France says they want Aristide out. Then France is protecting Aristide in French Africa. And somehow the US is too blame? Baffoons, clowns and bottlewashers is right.
Posted by ruprecht 2004-3-3 1:47:39 PM||   2004-3-3 1:47:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 All right then, here's what to do: bring Aristide back to Haiti, evacuate all U.S. diplomatic and military personnel, and then announce that this is what the CBC wanted, so this is what they get. Anything that happens afterward is not the fault of the U.S., nor will it be the U.S.' concern, and any Haitians attempting to flee to the U.S. mainland will be sent back immediately, no questions asked.

Problem solved.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-3-3 2:11:42 PM||   2004-3-3 2:11:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Face it, the CBC is for affirmative action and the french language. And probably racist
Posted by Drano 2004-3-3 2:58:55 PM||   2004-3-3 2:58:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Aristide was:
1. A radical leftist.
2. A hater of America.
3. Corrupt.

The CBC was just looking after their own.
Posted by Jackal  2004-3-3 4:28:36 PM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2004-3-3 4:28:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Jackal, now that was Cold.
Posted by Shipman 2004-3-3 5:15:35 PM||   2004-3-3 5:15:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Jackel may be cold, but he's (she's?) right on the money.

Ever notice how black "leaders" always want something that is good for other black "leaders" but really bad for regular black people? You'd think they were racist or something.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-3-3 6:08:45 PM||   2004-3-3 6:08:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Just imagine what the CBC would say if someone founded the CWC...
Posted by .com 2004-3-3 6:18:59 PM||   2004-3-3 6:18:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 I just loved seeing Danny Glover in the background of this meeting. What a socialist jack ass that tin hat is. I saw him in Lethal Weapon 3 last night and wanted to hurl.
Posted by remote man 2004-3-3 7:01:14 PM||   2004-3-3 7:01:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Next time this happens in some third world shithole, which will probably be next week, Bush should just sit back and let the blood flow neck deep in the street. Why interfere and piss off the Congressional Black Caucus.
I'd love to see Aristide tossed on a plane and flown back to Haiti just to see how they'd spin that.
Posted by tu3031 2004-3-3 10:54:27 PM||   2004-3-3 10:54:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 The disengagement from Aristide started Earlier than GW. Evidently, somewhere along the line Aristide got sick of trying to improve things and became part of the problem. How early he went bad is open to debate; my belief is that he was bad from the beginning. In 2000, he fudged the election that he would have won anyway because all despots want to appear to be ruling with near unanimous backing. Anyway Aristide was done soon thereafter as all other countries withheld aid from his regime. If we had intervened and put him back on his throne, we would have had to restore the aid for his corrupt administration to skim to keep him there.

Note - On CSPAN, I saw a Democratic congressman and Noriega get into it today about whether voter turnout was 10% or 60%. The congressman had been an election observer in Haiti and read his personal account of how perfectly fair the elections were into the record. He was an older white haired gentleman that appeared to be restricting Noriega's answers and using the ambassador's testimony as a way to testify himself - probably a common practice among blowhards.
Posted by Super Hose  2004-3-3 11:07:38 PM||   2004-3-3 11:07:38 PM|| Front Page Top

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