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2004-02-25

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Posted by Mike 2004-02-25 6:34:46 AM|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Cleveland: 1,345,980th Most Holy Place in Islam.

Posted by tu3031 2004-2-25 8:28:38 AM|| 2004-2-25 8:28:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Immigrant Muslims come to America to escape Islamist radicalism, and are shocked and intimidated to discover the extent of extremist influence in their community

How friggin hard is it to create grass roots organizations that expose and remove the extremists?! Even "moderate" (i.e., unarmed) muslims don't seem to want to take action. They'd rather either stick their head in the sand or point fingers. All I saw/heard after 9/11 was 1. "there's no proof it was islamic" and/or 2. "the Jews did it."

Where the hell are activist muslims who will take back their so-called "religion of peace" (and why do they have to keep telling us it's a religion of peace? mebbe cuz no one would know if they didn't point it out?)

Posted by PlanetDan 2004-2-25 8:33:49 AM|| 2004-2-25 8:33:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Mike - good post.

"Boards voted 10 to 4 to ask Imam Damra to take a voluntary paid leave of absence until his legal issues are resolved. Imam Damra rejected the decision and the Board was then forced to place Imam Damra on an involuntary paid leave of absence." snicker

"The decision to ask the Imam to temporarily step down was a difficult one for the Board to take, and when it was defied we were left with no alternative but to seek legal recourse"."
Huh? Don't most board directors have to be elected and have bylaw provisions for removal?? What about a special election, etc?? I'd want to know who elects their board and what their bylaws say about removing one. Somebody can do it if they want to. Who is the somebody not doing it? I don't know for sure, but if they are a public corp, it's probably public record.

Before we become too critical of our Muslim neighbors- I've seen many a story of how difficult it is to get rid of a bad priest/pastor, because the congregation rallies around no matter how obvious the ugly truth.

"ISNA and the mosques it controls work day and night to maintain ideological dominance over Muslims in America, in the interest of Wahhabism -- the official Saudi sect, which preaches hatred and violence"
That the congregation is upset with the direction set by their leaders really isn't so different than paralysis we see in the Catholic Churches/perverted priests or Epsicopalian/gay etc issues.

Posted by B 2004-2-25 8:45:07 AM|| 2004-2-25 8:45:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 tu-

"Cleveland: 1,345,980th Most Holy Place in Islam."

Trust me, it is. Allah alone knows how many times I left Lakefront Stadium after a Browns game going, "Inshallah", and ululuating.

Aside to Mike : I noticed your post about Channel 3 - what part of town you from? I grew up south side, down in Slavic Village.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2004-2-25 8:53:47 AM|| 2004-2-25 8:53:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Mr. K:

I'm originally from Youngstown ("Proud Home of Rep. James Trafficant and Ray 'Boom-Boom' Mancini!") and I now live in Medina County and work in Akron. We get Cleveland channels on the cable system, like 'em or not, which is why I was watching Channel 3.

Posted by Mike 2004-2-25 10:39:54 AM|| 2004-2-25 10:39:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Actually, if you get a chance, you should read Schwartz's book The Two Faces of Islam. He gives a pretty good look at the history of Islam and Wahhabism. He also has many good points to make out on how Wahhabism is spread, and what Muslims in other countries are doing to fight it. He points out the Sufis in Bosnia and Sarajevo as two prime examples of Muslims who spit back in the Wahhabis faces their ideologies. I've read Dore Gold's book also on the subject of Wahhabism and Suadi Arabia, and I do have to say I learned more from Schwartz. Just wondering, does anyone have any other suggestions for good reads on the subject?

Posted by Lil Dhimmi 2004-2-25 10:45:40 AM|| 2004-2-25 10:45:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm always a little suspicious of Schwartz, though he is an excellent investigative reporter. He's like Friedman (sp?) When he's good he's very good...but when he's bad...

well ok...maybe Freidman was a bit harsh...but you know what I mean.

Posted by B 2004-2-25 10:51:51 AM|| 2004-2-25 10:51:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I live in Chicago now but grew up in Cleveland. I was at Municipal Stadium for a few games but I usually didn't leave ululating -- more likely was muttering something that I made sure my mother couldn't quite understand.

Posted by Steve White 2004-2-25 11:29:20 AM|| 2004-2-25 11:29:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Sounds like the Board was under pressure by a large portion of the enslaved. That shows a willingness to support damra's views. Prolly more ashamed about his being caught then anything else.

BTW I was raised in a church that got rid of their pastor. Big church too. Turns out the reverend was a part owner of a used car lot. Figures. People started boycotting the church. Took about 60 days before the deacons were able to get him to hit the road.

Posted by Lucky 2004-2-25 12:22:28 PM|| 2004-2-25 12:22:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 "Islam in Conflict..."

Now there is a self evident truth. In conflict with their women, their countries, other countries, other religions, this world. Hell if a formation showed up on Mars photo that even resembled a Star of David or a cross, they'd figure out a plan to bomb it too. Pathetic lot.

Posted by dataman1 2004-2-25 12:23:09 PM|| 2004-2-25 12:23:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 TU, anyone from Akron knows that Islam has an open invitation to purchase this in Cuyahoga Falls, light-heartedly known as Rex Hubbard's Erection.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-2-25 1:50:14 PM|| 2004-2-25 1:50:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Re: #8 "more likely was muttering something that I made sure my mother couldn't quite understand."

It wasn't Revenge. Revenge! DIRE REVENGE!!?

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