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2004-02-24

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Posted by tipper 2004-02-24 10:08:04 AM|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 One can hope, I still see great potential for this to be a bigger uglier Somalia; not that this will be any fault of our people on the ground.

Posted by Hiryu 2004-2-24 10:20:26 AM|| 2004-2-24 10:20:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I still see great potential for this to be a bigger uglier Somalia
I don't. Its not even close. There was(is) no will to make something of Somalia by its people. The Iraqis have that motivation and conviction to move forward. It will take time a blood, but in the end Iraq will prosper.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2004-2-24 10:37:23 AM|| 2004-2-24 10:37:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I still see great potential for this to be a bigger uglier Somalia Only if Kerry gets elected will it turn ugly...

Posted by mmurray821 2004-2-24 10:43:52 AM|| 2004-2-24 10:43:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 These young men and women are our best. I see them and then I see the slackassed, lazy, selfish people in this country tearing down everything that these soldiers have done in the name of electing a traitor to the Whitehouse. They disgust me and I truly believe disgust any Americans. John Fonda Kerry has done one thing though. He has managed to give our enemies comfort once again. (Must be habit-but a traitor to his unform understands how to do that very easily)That of course should bring great cheers from the left. I have a feeling this time though it isn't 1972 anymore boys.

Posted by dataman1 2004-2-24 10:52:28 AM|| 2004-2-24 10:52:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Hiryu you are amoungst friends here and you can say what you really mean which I know is a bigger uglier United Nations. I know that Somalia is a code word for the UN. And the great triumph of the United nations is nothing is anybodies fault except of course if you happen to be a jew or work for Haliburton or Rupert Murdoch.

blah blah etc.

Posted by phil_b 2004-2-24 11:05:28 AM|| 2004-2-24 11:05:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Well, with Fort Carson to the south, Peterson AFB, NORAD, and Schreiver to the east, the Air Force Academy to the North, and Cheyenne Mountain to the west, anything that happens with our troops (especially those deployed from Ft. Carson or the Guard and Reserve components called up from Colorado) makes the front page of the Gazette. It's not the best paper in the world, but it's head and shoulders above the pink rags from Denver. No subscription required for their online version. Chuck Assay, a regular feature on the Editorial page, is perhaps the premier conservative cartoonist in the United States.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-2-24 11:22:30 AM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-2-24 11:22:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Somalia??? What?? Are you on drugs?

We had a full scale military invasion of Iraq. We are attempting to completely restructure their government.

How..at this point ... can this become "like Somalia"????

Oh...I'm sorry..I guess what you really meant to say was "quagmire". My bad.

Posted by B 2004-2-24 11:28:08 AM|| 2004-2-24 11:28:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I don't know if I'm among friends, as I'm more liberal then most of the people who post here, but I keep seeing stories about Sistani getting ready to call jihad(tm) if he doesn't get his way. This is even today in the at this English-language Turkish news site.

The thing is this, I suspect that we're spread so thin on the ground that we really couldn't deal with a serious Shi'ite uprising, not without finishing off administration assumptions of doability.

I also wouldn't put it past our good buddies in Tehran to screw with matters; assuming that Chalabi is not their shill all along.

At the end of the day Iraq is a black box and we're flying blind so far as I'm concerned.

Posted by Hiryu 2004-2-24 11:30:53 AM|| 2004-2-24 11:30:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 I see your point Hiryu. Don't worry there isn't a draft yet. You will be safe.

Posted by dataman1 2004-2-24 11:57:22 AM|| 2004-2-24 11:57:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 quigmire quigmire run run, ah a soldiers been killed, pull em all out of that quagmire.Seriously though the liberal lefties seem to have got every prediction of how this war would go completely wrong.They claimed there would be famine,disease,the whole middle east will turn into one big nuclear testing range,Iraq will be Vietnam,the skys gonna fall in,the list is truly endless.

Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-2-24 12:00:20 PM|| 2004-2-24 12:00:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Somalia is the wrong analogy, historically the Somalia's never had a central government. Iraq has always had a central government. The analogy that comes to my mind is Haiti. If we give up too quickly and don't ensure democracy takes root Iraq might have a Haitian type crisis every decade or so.

Posted by ruprecht 2004-2-24 12:37:33 PM|| 2004-2-24 12:37:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Don't worry Fellers, as you know, I spent 8 1/2 months in Iraq and Kuwait, and the situation over there is pretty much opposite of what you see and hear from places such as ~~Liberal~~ ~~Democratic~~ National Public Radio, CNN, and the such. We (and the Iraqis) have got our collective shit togather over there pretty well, but that kind of stuff isn't newsworthy. John Q Public only wants to see drama, the stuff that puts the folding stuff in TT's pocket. (viz. American Idol, Survivor, ect.)

Posted by Bodyguard 2004-2-24 12:41:17 PM|| 2004-2-24 12:41:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Hiryu,

More like Midway than Somalia. Soryu don't remember June 4, 1942.

We'll endlessly debate whether Iraq was the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end. But you feel free to worry about getting into Akagimire. Kagamire is the constant worry of the turtle afraid to stick out its neck.

Posted by Mr. Davis 2004-2-24 12:48:24 PM|| 2004-2-24 12:48:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 One can hope, I still see great potential for this to be a bigger uglier Somalia; not that this will be any fault of our people on the ground.

No comparison. One thing that Saddam and the King before did was engender a pretty strong middle class merchant society (albeit scared shitless). You have a well educated, enterprise focused spawning democracy in a previously secular religious environment. Sure, Iran was that way before the Shah left but then we didn't have boots on the ground and a big financial, political and military commitment at risk.

Posted by Jack is Back! 2004-2-24 12:49:56 PM|| 2004-2-24 12:49:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Slightly OT, but I just came home from a visit to Peterson AFB, here in Colorado Springs. During the little less than one hour I was on base, two C-17s, one C-141, and one C-5 landed, all bringing equipment back to Fort Carson from Iraq. What other nation could do that, and keep it up, hour after hour, for several WEEKS??? Makes goosebumps of pride break out all over my body...

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-2-24 3:46:03 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-2-24 3:46:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Hiryu, you aren't "more liberal", you're just a sensible fella like most everyone else here.

I think Sistani is a master politican who knew just what levers to nudge on the elections issue. Fine with me, we can deal with a master politican without complaint.

Posted by Steve White 2004-2-24 3:53:25 PM|| 2004-2-24 3:53:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Bodyguard -- thank you, and please keep posting. Any details would be appreciated.

Posted by closet neo-con 2004-2-24 7:43:59 PM|| 2004-2-24 7:43:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Bodyguard -- thank you, and please keep posting. Any details would be appreciated.

Posted by closet neo-con 2004-2-24 7:44:22 PM|| 2004-2-24 7:44:22 PM|| Front Page Top

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