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2004-02-16

Castro: Bush Could Not Debate A Ninth Grader

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2004-02-16 00:09|| || Front Page|| [11139 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 But he will be soon!

Posted by phil_b 2004-2-16 12:36:06 AM|| 2004-2-16 12:36:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 ...by delivering a four-hour 20-minute speech ...
Just like old times. Does that mean that ~~windbag~~ Fidel railed for 4 hours to deliver a speech that normally would take only 20 minutes?

Posted by GK 2004-2-16 12:37:46 AM|| 2004-2-16 12:37:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Bush does not speak well particularly for someone in his position as a nation's leader. It makes him appear dumb even if he possibly is not.

Posted by Antiwar 2004-2-16 1:20:47 AM|| 2004-2-16 1:20:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 I'd say that is the left's weakness in dealing with Bush. Bush is in fact a capable and intelligent leader who wasn't quite as slick as Willie, but far far more honest about his views and about what is right.

Tough choice. Slickie boy blowjob king, or an adult in charge of a nation.

Sodomy or leadership? That is a toughie.

I'll take leadership for $500, Alex.

Posted by badanov 2004-2-16 1:28:07 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-2-16 1:28:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Clearly, on your planet of Zog, Anti-war, black is white.
I find President Bush an eloquent and very inspiring speaker.
In fact, I have a book of his collected speeches since 9/11.

Back to Fidel, if you have to go to the bathroom during one of his 4-5 hour harangues, does he execute you?

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro 2004-2-16 1:43:44 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-2-16 1:43:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Jennie check out the website Dubyaspeak and you will see how "well" the president speaks.You are obviously mentally ill.

Posted by Antiwar 2004-2-16 1:53:02 AM|| 2004-2-16 1:53:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 must agree with Antiwar on this, speeches are one thing, there's time to prepare them and I doubt that Dubya writes his own, however he doesn't appear very quick on his feet, he's got some doozies there lol

Posted by Igs 2004-2-16 2:46:46 AM|| 2004-2-16 2:46:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I meant what I said, boys, and I'm not changing my mind because you 2 trolls hassled me.

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro 2004-2-16 2:56:00 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-2-16 2:56:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 P.S. I don't remember a single thing Bill Clintoon said as Prez except "I did not have sex with that woman, Miz Lewinsky."
And don't forget his pointing finger for added effect.
Yeah, that Clinton was some orator and Bush is by comparison such a moron. Uh-huh.
As I said before, you both live on the planet Zog.
My fave Bush speeches begin like this, "On my orders,..."

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro 2004-2-16 2:59:43 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-2-16 2:59:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 No one is asking you to change your mind and no one is saying that prior presidents haven't come up with some rather off the wall quotes as well. However, steadfastly debying that Bush has made any weird quotes is ignoring reality

Posted by Igs 2004-2-16 3:06:57 AM|| 2004-2-16 3:06:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Jennie, the reality is that Bush is not a great improv speaker. If there is any correlation between this ability and intelligence, its probably weak. My anecdotal experience is good speakers tend not to be good thinkers. Anyway it doesn't matter. What matters in a politician is vision and the capacity to execute on the vision. Bush clearly has this.

Posted by phil_b 2004-2-16 3:47:13 AM|| 2004-2-16 3:47:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Jennie your problem is you can't accept people have different views to you.Try to be open minded you don't have to agree with mine or whoever elses views just accept that other views exist.

Posted by Antiwar 2004-2-16 4:18:43 AM|| 2004-2-16 4:18:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 "More and more of our imports come from overseas"

This is not a gaffe, the US does import things from Mexico & Canada and they are definetly not "overseas".

Posted by Evert Visser 2004-2-16 4:33:12 AM|| [http://chinditz.blog-city.com/] 2004-2-16 4:33:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 "More and more of our imports come from overseas"

This is not a gaffe, the US does import things from Mexico & Canada and they are definetly not "overseas".

Posted by Evert Visser 2004-2-16 4:33:14 AM|| [http://chinditz.blog-city.com/] 2004-2-16 4:33:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 DOH!

Thats pretty strong coming from you ms Antiwar.

Posted by Evert Visser 2004-2-16 4:34:44 AM|| [http://chinditz.blog-city.com/] 2004-2-16 4:34:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 phil_b, granted, but then he doesn't have the plain-speaking effectiveness of John Howard, either!;-)
Honestly, "ordinary people" I meet remember Bush's words and I indeed find his speeches stirring, almost inspirational.

As for you, Mizzzzzz Antiwar, by "different" you mean Leftist.
Yes, I reject the Leftist view completely.
Ergo, you probably would have loved the Bearded One's speech, all 4 and 1/2 hours of it.

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro 2004-2-16 5:04:09 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-2-16 5:04:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Jennie I am not particularly left wing. I assume you are right wing a bit like Hitler. I can accept you have different views I just do not agree with them. Evert you suck.

Posted by Antiwar 2004-2-16 5:11:55 AM|| 2004-2-16 5:11:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 damn, can't wait till John Howard gets booted at the next election

Posted by Igs 2004-2-16 6:30:49 AM|| 2004-2-16 6:30:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Bush definitely could do better in his off-the-cuff remarks, although his prepared speeches have usually been quite good. Few speakers are as good as Tony Blair, though.

I'll take a Bush speech anyday over a four-hour Castro diatribe, regardless.

Posted by Dar 2004-2-16 7:01:03 AM|| 2004-2-16 7:01:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 The one and only time a ninth grader attempted to engage Castro in a debate, Fidel had her head bashed in by baseball bat wielding comrades.As for off the cuff remarks, I refer you to his rousing Ground Zero "I hear you...." speech.

Posted by Garrison 2004-2-16 7:38:24 AM|| 2004-2-16 7:38:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 BZZZ- Sorry antiwar, you lose. You brought up Hitler first. BTW- what does the term SOCIALIST mean in the acronym NAZI? Jennie is right about you being from the planet Zog- what color is your atmosphere.

Posted by Craig 2004-2-16 7:39:37 AM|| 2004-2-16 7:39:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Craig you sound like a right dickhead however you are entitled to your view thats free speech.

Posted by Antiwar 2004-2-16 7:59:10 AM|| 2004-2-16 7:59:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 I assume you are right wing a bit like Hitler

Hitler was a leftist:
The National Socialist German Workers Party had all the marks of socialism - the state was involved or regulated every aspect of day to day living, including a controled press and wage controls.

Posted by Anonymous 2004-2-16 8:14:31 AM|| 2004-2-16 8:14:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 "Antiwar" -- go away. Your "opinions" are nothing but the drool of a poorly educated brain running on wishful thinking and the fumes of hatred. If you EVER come up with a thought more sophisticated than "mean people suck", you might be welcome.

Until then: Go the hell away.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-2-16 8:16:38 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-2-16 8:16:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 What a small character antiwar has turned out to have, favoring fluff over substance, dictators and dictatorships over the rule of the people. I'm glad your hero, saddam, has been flushed, and I sincerely hope all your other friends go down the tubes as well.

Enjoy the next 20 years, you hypocritical tyrant lover..

Posted by Ptah 2004-2-16 8:21:24 AM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2004-2-16 8:21:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 "Evert you suck."

AAAWww, did i hurt your feewings antiwar?

BTW i repeat my question to you from a couple of days ago:

why do you need to be so foulmouthed?
(i'm betting its that old PMS acting up again)
please try and answer it witout refering to hitler.

Posted by Evert Visser 2004-2-16 8:50:43 AM|| [http://chinditz.blog-city.com/] 2004-2-16 8:50:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 I recall that Lincoln was laughed at during his administration for his manner. I thing George W is in good company.

Posted by dataman1 2004-2-16 9:21:29 AM|| 2004-2-16 9:21:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Robert I think debates should involve different views not everyone having the same opinion. Ptah Saddam is not a hero or a villain. Evert you sound quite bitter and twisted possibly misogynistic (if you are male?}

Posted by Antiwar 2004-2-16 9:28:37 AM|| 2004-2-16 9:28:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 Since when have Rantburg commenting sessions turned into the Anti-war spleen venting show?

Let's ignore the trolls folks...it only gets the mouthbreathers excited when we dignify their pap and vitriol with a response. It's gives them the false hope that they may, one day, actually reason their way out of a paper bag.

Posted by mjh 2004-2-16 9:37:55 AM|| 2004-2-16 9:37:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 Antiwar...the real point is when has Fidel ever debated anyone?? I agree the Dubya isn't MENSA material, but you come out sounding like you think Fidel is some sort of godly being...

Posted by steve d. 2004-2-16 9:40:26 AM|| 2004-2-16 9:40:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Yes antiwar i am a male and proud of it.

now answer my question please.

Posted by Evert Visser 2004-2-16 9:43:26 AM|| [http://chinditz.blog-city.com/] 2004-2-16 9:43:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 Antiwar--Saddam is not a villain? Perhaps you could define "villain" for me, then?

I fail to believe that a man who so brutally tortured, murdered, gassed, and raped thousands of people can not be a villain! Do you think he, or Hitler for that matter, is simply misunderstood? That he's some kind of artist trying to express himself via the medium of human suffering? Should we give him a f***ing NEA grant in such case?

I'm more than happy to see someone with an opposite point of view from the norm on Rantburg. For the life of me, though, if Saddam is not a villain according to your definition of the word, then you seriously need to stop hitting the bong and start hitting the books.

Posted by Dar 2004-2-16 9:44:45 AM|| 2004-2-16 9:44:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 Robert I think debates should involve different views not everyone having the same opinion.

Well, yes. But you don't have opinions. You have reactions. You're nothing but a collection of nerves wrapped around leftist twaddle. For example:

Saddam is not a hero or a villain.

I'm hard-pressed to find any description for Saddam that doesn't involve "villain" or "evil". That you don't says volumes about your moral blindness -- or amorality. After all, we're talking about someone that operated political prisons for children, who gassed villages full of civilians, who ran weapons programs focused not on battlefield weapons but genocide. His government ran rape squads to mete out punishment for political crimes; his police stations were equipped with torture equipment; he built his luxurious palaces with the money intended to buy the Iraqi people medicines.

Are you mentally feeble? Is that why you cannot recognize the grotesque evil of Saddam's reign? Or have you simply been brainwashed into refusing to believe there are real villains and real evil?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-2-16 9:52:52 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-2-16 9:52:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 RC, to be fair, whenever someone else posts an opinion which differs from the majority here, they are pretty much automatically labelled as a troll. I'm not referring to AW or NMM in this particular instance and I'm not arguing that SH is not a villain.

Next time I have an opinion on an issue which bothers me, I'll put something up - just watch the abuses fly. My experience from reading some comments is that some of the people here dismiss alternate views whether they have substance or not.

Posted by Igs 2004-2-16 10:19:06 AM|| 2004-2-16 10:19:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 Igs--I much enjoy seeing a good debate with well-thought out opinions and bona fide, researched facts presented. I don't think you're going to manage to sway people much from their core beliefs, but you can get a concession now and then with a well presented argument.

Liberalhawk is, in my opinion, the best example of a Rantburger who can express an opinion or an opposing point of view eloquently yet concisely and without making it a personal attack. Anyone seriously expecting to debate an issue civilly on this forum should follow his example.

Posted by Dar 2004-2-16 10:30:36 AM|| 2004-2-16 10:30:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 RC, to be fair, whenever someone else posts an opinion which differs from the majority here, they are pretty much automatically labelled as a troll.

That's because they mostly are trolls.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-2-16 11:02:37 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-2-16 11:02:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#37 Igs, when Antiwar invokes Godwin's Law...well that's just trolling. Period.

Posted by gromky 2004-2-16 11:07:07 AM|| 2004-2-16 11:07:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#38 I think there've been lots of opinions swayed on Rantburg, though always by facts and not by hollering "you suck." I find I agree with Aris just under half the time, with liberalhawk probably two thirds of the time or better. JFM's often muted the Frenchie-bashing here, and TGA regularly brings people up short on a wide variety of subjects. There are even times when I defer to Murat's knowledge of the subject matter. I haven't set foot in Europe in over ten years, and haven't lived there in twenty.

I have my own opinions on a wide variety of subjects - comes as a surprise, I know. They still retain a certain amount of flexibility. If I'm wrong about something, show me where I'm wrong, and why, and I'll modify my opinion. The only way you're going to do it is with facts. Accusing people of being or following Hitler isn't going to make it, certainly not when we're tracking the activities of fascism's successors on a daily basis.

There's actually a wide range of opinion here, and I don't think most of us object to seeing the range widened further. But you have to read the white parts of the posts, too, along with the yellow parts, and you have to make a tentative assumption of accuracy. Go back and browse last month's articles, and last year's, and the year before. After awhile it's pretty easy to spot the ones that are fluff or plants by interested parties, to assess the reliability of a source. Then form your opinion, based on a set of facts that hangs together. It'll make your arguments more coherent, and it might even change some of your opinions.

Posted by Fred 2004-2-16 11:29:04 AM|| 2004-2-16 11:29:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#39 Thanks for sharing, Fidel. The leader of a fifth rate third world country's opinion really rates big here.

Posted by tu3031 2004-2-16 12:32:23 PM|| 2004-2-16 12:32:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Mr Antiwar

Could you lend me a service? Change your pseudo. Pick one more suitable with your personality.

Pro-rape, pro-plastic shredder, pro-torture, pro-mass murder. Pro-Nazi since the official name of the Baas party you seem to like so much is
"National socialist Party of Arab renewal". Pro-racist since you consider Kurds and Iraqui Arabs as just toys who don't deserve freedom, untermenschen just good to be tortured, raped and gassed for the sake of you impressing daddy with your 2 bit "progressism".

I hope you have found my suggestions useful.

Posted by JFM 2004-2-16 1:04:35 PM|| 2004-2-16 1:04:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Antiwar: Saddam was neither a hero nor a villian?

There you go, PROVING you're the pal of tyrants, denying that there are moral distinctions when backed into a corner. What's the REAL reason, since you obviously want to retain the moral patina of righteousness by being "Antiwar"? Pining for a similar job, and thus making sure nobody can condemn you or boot you out once you settle your skanky ass into the throne?

Posted by Ptah 2004-2-16 1:05:44 PM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2004-2-16 1:05:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Hmm, does the "First person to bring up Hitler loses" rule apply here?

Posted by Valentine 2004-2-16 1:08:31 PM|| 2004-2-16 1:08:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 "Ach-tung, Liebens-room" The crowed stood and cheered in wild emotion. Here's our leader.

"People are swealtering out there" The crowed stood and cheered in wild emotion. Here's our leader.

"We will be relentless" The country has a gut check, The volunteers get their gear ready.

Posted by Lucky 2004-2-16 1:17:13 PM|| 2004-2-16 1:17:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 Lucky, I hope you mean Lebensraum. If you mean Liebensraum, I'm gonna get the hose!

Posted by Dar 2004-2-16 1:34:00 PM|| 2004-2-16 1:34:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 I have no problems with heartfelt differences of opinion. I have serious problems with leftist trolls spouting the day's talking points. I agree that Bush doesn't come off well as an improvisational speaker. At the same time, he's proven quite brilliant at leadership, a far more necessary skill for a president. Anyone who cannot accept that Saddam Hussein is a villian, and the embodiment of true evil, is an intellectual fraud, or a White Slag addict.

The problem with the Left is that they've spent so much of their credibility on political correctness that they cannot admit there are such real concepts as villany and evil. They've tried to create the impression that the world is as they describe it, and when reality doesn't fit, they resort to lies and distortions. September 11 saw the scales drop from millions of eyes. Only the staunchest members of Looney liberal loser left are still blinded by their own bullshit.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-2-16 2:25:47 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-2-16 2:25:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 Bush is not a great improv speaker imho. However, he is a strong leader. Clinton otoh, was an excellent speaker, highly intelligent, & extremely charismatic but a lousy leader imho. Always reminded me of an insurance salesman (no offense to insurance salesmen) Clinton was the epitome of image over substance to me. BTW, every pres in modern era has speech writers.

Posted by Jarhead 2004-2-16 5:26:45 PM|| 2004-2-16 5:26:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 I'm sure that a Cuban ninth grader knows a lot of things Bush doesn't know... like marxist dialectics, the latest congratulation telegram from Kim Jong Il... you know, the real important stuff.

Ok he won't have answers to a few totally unimportant things... like

Why only children under 7 get milk
Why his 15 year old sister comes back tired in the morning with some dollars in her pockets to buy him milk
Why his older brother suddenly disappeared
Why his uncle drowned in the Florida Straits
Why you have to hold election which are won by the same old guy with 99 percent of the votes
What it actually means to have a "discussion"

You know... totally unimportant stuff.

Posted by True German Ally 2004-2-16 6:26:40 PM|| 2004-2-16 6:26:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 LOL, good one TGA!

Posted by Rafael 2004-2-16 7:16:20 PM|| 2004-2-16 7:16:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 Oh I forgot... serve the boy a T-Bone Steak and an apple for dessert and the discussion could really turn even more interesting...

You know apples, don't you?
Oh....
Ok, let's start with the steak first...

Posted by True German Ally 2004-2-16 7:28:42 PM|| 2004-2-16 7:28:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 I think Castro himself has been quoted as saying that the three failures of the Revolution are breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Anyone want to imagine what things would be like if Castro instead of Bush were the commander-in-chief of the most capable military in the world?

Posted by Matt 2004-2-16 9:33:55 PM|| 2004-2-16 9:33:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Evert does swearing etc offend you if it does thats a pity because you'll hear a lot of it so get used to it. Sadddam is someone who has been psychologically impaired by a horrendously abusive childhood so its not surprising he behaved the way he did. I can however seperate the deeds from the person, I would say Saddam did an evil thing when he tortured people in prison,I would not say he was evil. The things he did should serve as a warning against child abuse. Some of you have something in common with Saddam Hussein you can't accept a view different to yours.

Posted by Antiwar 2004-2-16 9:37:24 PM|| 2004-2-16 9:37:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 With respect to the imports gaffe, Bush could have been referencing the role of intermediary goods in the production chain.

Posted by Mahmoud, the Weasel 2004-2-16 9:46:12 PM|| 2004-2-16 9:46:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 AW - #51. That's about as big a pile of moral relativism as one person can manage - without imploding (nature abhors a vaccuum) or just disappearing in a puff of well-deserved anti-logic. Beautiful. Brought a tear to my eye. Since it's all so clear and evil is so easily explained away, you must sleep the sleep of the angels. Big hug. Here's your teddy.

Posted by .com 2004-2-16 9:52:03 PM|| 2004-2-16 9:52:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Antiwar, I dare you to go to Iraq and tell the surviving relatives, if there are any, of all of those Iraqis who are in mass graves (somewhere between 200,00 and 1,000,000) that their loved one(s) were murdered because Saddam is a victim.
Ridiculous Liberal shite.
Your trolldom diverted everyone from the whole point of this post which was that Castro preached one of his 5-hour sermons using the Left's typical talking point criticizing the WOT: "Bush is a moron."

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro 2004-2-16 10:01:18 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-2-16 10:01:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 Oh, and Antiwar, Castro's treatment of political prisoners (which are the only kind of internees in Cuba) is only slightly more humane than Saddam's, mainly because he didn't have Saddam's vision.
The tales of torture and murder in Cuban prisons are legion.
The stories of how ordinary Cubans are forced to live aren't much better.
Fidel must have been less of a "victim" as a child or something.

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro 2004-2-16 10:06:02 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-2-16 10:06:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 Antiwar, are you seriously blaming Saddams parents for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Iranians and Kuwaitis that are dead as a result of his regime?

Posted by Scott 2004-2-16 10:08:36 PM|| [http://tacoflavoredkisses.com/tfkblog/] 2004-2-16 10:08:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 Wow Antiwar!! I have typed three different responses to your last post. All of which contained the cursing you so coyly made reference to. OK, the family version. You are a sanctimonious, self righteous pig. There is no hope for you ever coming into contact with reality if you are as old as you say. You display no intelligence, reason nor logic. Your debating techniques are merely invective and earnestness. You really need to get out more. Your postings leave me in the same stunned silence as when I stumble across a particularly horrifying accident. You don't even qualify as a troll because I can no longer even find humor in your obtuseness. I am done with you.

Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-2-16 10:57:56 PM|| 2004-2-16 10:57:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 So, Antiwar, what kind of vice is it that you indulge in, whose consequences you don't want to pay for, and for which you want a pass?

Grow UP.

Posted by Ptah 2004-2-17 12:05:52 PM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2004-2-17 12:05:52 PM|| Front Page Top

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