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2004-02-12 Fifth Column
Everything you need to know about George Soros
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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-02-12 1:24:45 AM|| || Front Page|| [11125 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I always want to know what kind of car a guy like Soros drives. Not what he is driven in, what he drives. I'd like to see what the celebrities drove to the "hate Bush" thing. What a farce.
Posted by Lucky 2004-2-12 1:54:33 AM||   2004-2-12 1:54:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Dan Darling as usual has his head up his Freeper ass--complaining about a billionaire tycoon when he's admitted he works for Rupert Murdoch--the foreigner from Australia who has done more to "dumb down" political discourse and television in general in the USA than anyone in history is just beyond any rational being to countenance! I really wonder how asshats like that sleep at night
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 1:58:09 AM||   2004-2-12 1:58:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#3  NMM, if I'm writing for a paper like the Herald Sun, believe me when I said that I'd be making quite a bit more than I do now as a college student.

I'm still trying to figure out what my being a FReeper has anything to do with what it is that I post. It's not like I'm plugging FR at every opportunity and my views are on a number of issues, in actuality, a lot similar to those of liberalhawk than some of the other folks around here.

But by all means, believe as you will ...
Posted by Dan Darling  2004-2-12 2:02:16 AM|| [http://www.regnumcrucis.blogspot.com]  2004-2-12 2:02:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 If you are truly a college student then your ignorance is truly appalling--I would have bet you were a 50 year old angry white male LOL
You admitted to being a Freeper--the people who totally fuck up internet polls and pull childish pranks
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:09:44 AM||   2004-2-12 2:09:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Oh, and by the way dumbass--you didn't address the issue of you working for that Australian Scumbag
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:11:24 AM||   2004-2-12 2:11:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I would suggest you register your sorry ass as a foreign agent but oops--forgot that Gingrich got him US citizenship and also allowed him to expand his network
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:13:09 AM||   2004-2-12 2:13:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 He sleeps very well, wasn't profit up 51%?
Posted by Anonymous2U 2004-2-12 2:15:51 AM||   2004-2-12 2:15:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 up 51% on what--what's your source moron?
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:18:04 AM||   2004-2-12 2:18:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Ho ho!, NMM and DD off to a flying start.

As for Soros, I don't get how a billionaire can be left wing. I mean, he makes a load of money, he invests that money, he sees that money create jobs and wealth - with all that leads to such as Science and culture. This is how capitalism works its magic. Therefore I can't see how this fits in with a leftist 'equality in outcome'. 'the state is your friend', 'root causes', 'kumbaya' mindset.

I have to go to work now, but I'll check back in later to see how it's all panning out.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-2-12 2:19:21 AM||   2004-2-12 2:19:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 LMAO, NMM is very uppity tonight!
Posted by Damn_Proud_American  2004-2-12 2:20:18 AM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com]  2004-2-12 2:20:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Andrew Bolt is arguably the best political columnist in Australia. I like his columns a lot.

As for Murdoch 'dumbing down' the US, this is just a variant on the Left's 'If you disagree with us then you must be stupid' psuedo-argument that is extremely tiresome.

I'm a bona fide intellectual, and I quite like Fox news. Much better than the excruciating CNN. The BBC excepting its often excellent documentaries, is not much better.
Posted by phil_b 2004-2-12 2:21:03 AM||   2004-2-12 2:21:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 As if phil_b you prolly like the Springer Show even more
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:25:22 AM||   2004-2-12 2:25:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 I don't get how a billionaire can be left wing.

Its the Left dirty secret. Rich people are disproportionately Left wing. Especially those who didn't earn their money. Check out political donations by income data for the USA and Australia. Whereas working middle class people are disproportionately Right wing.
Posted by phil_b 2004-2-12 2:26:10 AM||   2004-2-12 2:26:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 PS Phil--for anyone with half a fucking brain it's called Faux News
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:26:41 AM||   2004-2-12 2:26:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Tony(UK): Soros is a self-hating capitalist in the same way he's a self-hating Jew.
Posted by someone 2004-2-12 2:29:32 AM||   2004-2-12 2:29:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 I do! I like reality TV in general. I also read books on all manner of subjects and I happen to be a published author.
Posted by phil_b 2004-2-12 2:30:08 AM||   2004-2-12 2:30:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 NMM, as I recall, Murdoch has taken out US citizenship

phil_b re 'is just a variant on the Left's 'If you disagree with us then you must be stupid''
yes, it is an argument often used by the left, it is also an argument often used by the right
Posted by Igs 2004-2-12 2:30:55 AM||   2004-2-12 2:30:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Woo-hoo I knew you'd get on the Jews sooner or later--since they overwhelmingly support the Democrats
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:32:17 AM||   2004-2-12 2:32:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 but those with complete brains call it Fox.....
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-2-12 2:33:08 AM||   2004-2-12 2:33:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 phil_b, political donations by income is not exactly a good way of analysing the trend, while you may be correct, it is an oversimplification, you will also find that people on higher incomes will use other vehicles to make donations (such as companies, trusts etc)
Posted by Igs 2004-2-12 2:33:47 AM||   2004-2-12 2:33:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 As a citizenship of convenience that Newtie passed a special law for--that old ass is too busy fucking his 32 yo wife and laughing at morons that support his billionaire lifestyle
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:34:26 AM||   2004-2-12 2:34:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Dean's finished. Weasley's finished. Surprise! NMM's on a bender. Inability to focus, irrelevance, trite spew repetition, and vile personal attacks are the hallmarks of his posts.

The topic is Soros. He has pledged to "do everything in my power to make certain George W Bush is not re-elected." That suffices, in my book, as worthy of serious attention.

Yet here we are wading through NMM's regurgitated bile in the form of personal attacks on DD, who is one hell of a contributor and highly valued here. Fuck this noise.

NMM. Sigh. You're an overgrown child with no socially or intellectually redeeming values, not to mention your obvious lack of proper toilet training. Look, you've shit all over yourself, again.


Fred - NMM's personal attacks and pointless posts have become a distraction and have no value. I request that you log and ban his gutless ass. Henceforth and for-fucking-ever.
Posted by .com 2004-2-12 2:35:21 AM||   2004-2-12 2:35:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 And I bet he saved more in taxes under the GOP tax cut than we both paid last year--tax cut for the rich....it's a GOP thang
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:36:04 AM||   2004-2-12 2:36:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 .com--as usual you're personal attacks are pathetic and childish--for once in your sorry ass posts address an argument or contribute something
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:38:40 AM||   2004-2-12 2:38:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 What a waste of time.
Posted by .com 2004-2-12 2:48:06 AM||   2004-2-12 2:48:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 You sure are .com--nothing to contribute but personal animosity--you must have a very sad life
Posted by NotMike Moore 2004-2-12 2:51:07 AM||   2004-2-12 2:51:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 I think the world really needs a nefarious, sinister, conspiratorial, manipulative, preternaturally intelligent billionaire.
I volunteer, but someone will have to donate the billion. What are Sam Walton's heirs up to these days?
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-2-12 2:57:51 AM||   2004-2-12 2:57:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 A little Googling gave me me this link -

'Among very wealthy donors, Democrats reigned supreme. Contributors of $1 million or more gave 92 percent of their money to Democrats, and 8 percent to the GOP.'
Posted by phil_b 2004-2-12 3:11:15 AM||   2004-2-12 3:11:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 It seems that NMM mistook the author's (Bolt's) disclosure about working for Murdoch to mean that the poster, Dan Darling, works for News Corp. Unless Dan does too. Am I missing something or is NMM being a fool?

But NMM has a point. I hate Soros too, but there is something deeply hypocritical about a News Corp. employee decrying the undue political influence of a billionaire. His little disclosure doesn't change that fact. Furthermore, Soros's influence in the Balkans and the Caucus, appears to be generally positive! Aiding pro-Democracy movements in Eastern Europe strikes me as a good deed, even if the history of high-stakes influence peddling is unsavory. Helping anti-Milosevic movements is hardly nefarious and the article becomes totally muddled by complaining about all of these deeds, while simultaneously conceding that Milosevic and Scheverdnadze probably needed to be deposed. The author sounds like one of those anti-War types admitting that "yes, Saddam was a monster, but..."

Soros's unforgivable blind spot is the Middle East (and also a lefty weakness for favoring transnational institutions). Apparently, he doesn't care about promoting his "Open Society" in lands where Islamic extremism and Arab nationalism reign supreme. I read his recent essay in the Atlantic Monthly which is a synopsis of his forthcoming book, "The Bubble of American Supremacy." I wanted to post the article here for fisking but it was like 10 pages and every sentence so full of &*%t that I couldn't even bother to ridicule it.

Psycho-analyzing Soros is tempting. I don't buy that "self-hating" stuff. He could be going senile as a result of age and the isolation from everyday life that all billionaires no doubt experience may have destroyed his common sense. He's still living in Sept. 10th world where Kofi Annan could have saved us from al-Qaida and negotiated a fair deal with the Taliban.

I suspect that he suffers from "Liberation Envy." With a billionaire's inflated ego, he probably believes that it is he himself alone who has saved and spread Democracy in Eastern Europe. He believes that his non-violent model is the only model and is ideologically blinded to the role of war in establishing tyranny and fighting tyranny, be it in his native Hungary or Serbia or Iraq.
Posted by Tokyo Taro 2004-2-12 3:38:50 AM||   2004-2-12 3:38:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 The Economist has a review of his new book,
"The Bubble of American Supremacy: Correcting the Misuse of American Power
By George Soros"
A two word review "get real"
Posted by tipper 2004-2-12 3:48:55 AM||   2004-2-12 3:48:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 NMM is a F*cking Idiot,will always be a F*cking Idiot.I don't know why you guys argue with the F*cking Idiot.

p.s sorry for the swearing
Posted by djohn66 2004-2-12 4:36:45 AM||   2004-2-12 4:36:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 djohn66: Perhaps its like training, dealing with someone like NMM is a great way to cut one's teeth on liberal "arguments" Besides, encouraging him to post just displays badly on NMM and his side of the "argument."

I have ot use quotes when referring to NMM's arguments because as you have noted, there ain't none. Its just childish name calling. Which helps his opposition to no end.
Posted by Ben  2004-2-12 4:58:57 AM||   2004-2-12 4:58:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 NMM is not good debate training. You could find better Lefty debaters pretty easily.

I don't consider myself to be a very good right-wing hawk debater. But some people are just incoherent. I sometimes get frustrated with the quality on my own side of the debate, although Rantburgers are generally top-notch.
Posted by Tokyo Taro 2004-2-12 5:42:34 AM||   2004-2-12 5:42:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 Oh, and by the way dumbass--you didn't address the issue of you working for that Australian Scumbag

Um, NMM you idiot, that's not an issue. That's an ad hominem attack, irrelevent to the issue presented.

Not that I expect you to be able to tell the difference; you appear to be as bright as a burnt out bulb.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-2-12 7:05:23 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-2-12 7:05:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 Ignore Mike Moore. Before NMM hijacked this discussion, the issue of George Soros hijacking elections was on the table. Andrew Bolt's (not Dan Darling's) Herald Sun column concluded that that Soros, or Soreass, is an unpredictable man with far more dollars than sense, and fewer restraints than either. Obviously his money can have an impact on the 2004 elections. Question is how to counteract his maniacal influence.

Posted by GK 2004-2-12 7:41:19 AM||   2004-2-12 7:41:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 Good heavens our ex-house troll seems to be imploding.
Posted by Shipman 2004-2-12 7:46:34 AM||   2004-2-12 7:46:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#37 Hey, NMM, I have a $20 bet on the line which should be a slam dunk for a real smart guy like you.

$20 ...for Fred's tip jar.
Posted by B 2004-2-12 7:52:14 AM||   2004-2-12 7:52:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#38 sigh..I'm just sitting here...clicking the refresh button ...hoping someone will give me a quote. It's starting to ruin my day.

By the way, GK - I think the way to bring Soros down would be to capitalize on his arrogance and sense of invincibility. While I'm not sure how to do that in his case, that's what always brings his type down.
Posted by B 2004-2-12 8:05:25 AM||   2004-2-12 8:05:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#39 Wow, I must have missed some really bad news for the Demos. NMM is even less coherent than usual! What happened NMM? Your momma not let you rub your little chubby on her last night? Fucking waste of human flesh. FOAD
Posted by AllahHateMe 2004-2-12 8:48:00 AM||   2004-2-12 8:48:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#40 Tokyo, I'm not so sure it's accurate to call Soros' activities in central Europe and elsewhere "non violent".

More accurately, he foments violence through 3rd parties. He also plays the currency & other markets and, given his history of shorting currencies, does best when there is chaos in the world.

So he gets to have it both ways: he creates chaos to profit from, but isn't held accountable in any way for what he does.
Posted by anon  2004-2-12 9:01:41 AM||   2004-2-12 9:01:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#41  Just to clarify (though I doubt that it's necessary), I don't work for Rupert Murdoch.
Posted by Dan Darling  2004-2-12 9:05:32 AM|| [http://www.regnumcrucis.blogspot.com]  2004-2-12 9:05:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#42 If Soros had a cat we could call him Ernst Blofeld.

The thing that concerns me is he is so open about his plans and he isn't even a citizen (other than of the world I suppose). Is it hyperbole or does he really think he has the kind of pull it would take to sink a 2 Trillion + economy?

As far as NMM. Sometimes he has a point, sometimes he can be the genesis of a good debate, sometimes he is a good verbal pinata. Today ain't it. Sad actually.
Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-2-12 9:17:17 AM||   2004-2-12 9:17:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#43 #28 German plutocrats were quite at ease with Adolph Hitler.
Posted by Tancred 2004-2-12 10:07:46 AM||   2004-2-12 10:07:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#44  sometimes he is a good verbal pinata
Well, impersonating a pinata is a felony in California... trust me I know.
Posted by The Motorist Rodney King 2004-2-12 10:27:32 AM||   2004-2-12 10:27:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#45 Wow, I must have missed some really bad news for the Demos.

Bush's Guard records and letters from people who knew him while he served were published yesterday.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-2-12 10:43:36 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-2-12 10:43:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#46 I'd almost be willing to bet that Soros is going to try to hasten the decline of the dollar for his own gain and to try to hurt GWB. He was on Maria Bartiromo's show the other day talking about how Japan and China own so much US debt and how the fact that China's currency is tied to the value of the US dollar will put a lot of pressure on China, etc., to sell (or no longer buy) US treasuries. He is probably shorting the US$ in hopes of moving the $ further downwards.
Posted by Tibor 2004-2-12 10:49:31 AM||   2004-2-12 10:49:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#47 he only needs to be wrong once to lose his shirt. While I wouldn't underestimate him, I still think his arrogance is a good way to bring him down.

The Administration should set him up with a few inside deals and the promise of his billions to those who screw him.
Posted by B 2004-2-12 11:00:44 AM||   2004-2-12 11:00:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#48 I think we should watch him carefully, and catch him donating to a political party. After that, ban him from the United States, from any dealings in the United States, and from owning any resources or property in the United States. This is where the majority of intellectual property originates, and intellectual property is the cash cow of the future. If he's unable to get in on the ground floor on intellectual property, his fortune will gradually drain away. We also need to watch surrogates, and stomp on them as hard and as fast as we find them. George Soros is an intellectual pimple with an ego of Mount Pinatubo. With enough careful prodding, he'll explode.
Posted by Old Patriot  2004-2-12 12:58:43 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm]  2004-2-12 12:58:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 Well this just proves my earlier point that NMM doesn't read any of the posts on rantburg anymore, or for that matter the news I think. He's reduced to flying spittle.
Posted by Valentine 2004-2-12 1:08:27 PM||   2004-2-12 1:08:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 NMM? You forgot your medication again.
Posted by Korora  2004-2-12 1:14:02 PM|| [http://basementburrow.blogspot.com]  2004-2-12 1:14:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 LOL, Rodney.
Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-2-12 1:37:21 PM||   2004-2-12 1:37:21 PM|| Front Page Top

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