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2004-02-02 Iraq

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-02-02 12:26:12 AM|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It was just a matter of time. If saddam's vanity didn't cause him to talk, valium and lack of sleep would end up doing so. No need for using his own methods, although no doubt the haters of the left want to think that's what is happening.

Posted by 4thInfVet 2004-2-2 12:29:31 AM|| 2004-2-2 12:29:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 What made him talk was the announcement by Bremer of who's going to put him on trial.

Posted by Charles 2004-2-2 12:37:27 AM|| 2004-2-2 12:37:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Ahem.

Read my timeline from last month and take a guess the methods used.

Giggle juice and electrodes are only viable when there is a high degree of urgency over accuracy. And once you do that, you've bascially burned any chance of getting accurate info with any reliability - because at that point the subject will be conditioned to tell you what he thinks you want to hear: whether it is the truth or not. Because once past a given point, the subject is incapable of distinguishing between those 2 things himself. Far better to take your time and do it right.

As I posted previously, it takes a couple weeks for them to get him healthy enough to start on him (and as a side effect its a great prep - he has to keep guessing when we are going to finally "start" on him). Then it takes about 3 to 6 weeks of "treatment": no drugs or beatings, all psych and physio-biology. After that, they will break him without him realizing he is broken.

And that the best kind of "break" to have - information obtained under that is more easily verified and usually far more valuable and accurate (this includes things he doesnt say that are very indicative of laying out the negative ground too - i.e. eliminating some areas from consideration). The info willb e essentially given voluntarily although unwittingly.

However, if they really want to destroy the guy, once they get everything out of him, they will draw up a video tape (his words, the arrests/kills from them) and the papers as well, and show them to him and show him how his words resulted in the destruction of the very things he thought he was protecting. Psychologically, that shatters him (especially an egoistic dictator who has delusions of superiority). This may even cause a complete psychotic breakdown, or catatonia, etc.

Do that, then hand him over to the locals for trial. A fate I would wish on few people.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-2-2 12:52:23 AM|| 2004-2-2 12:52:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Old Spook -- Thanks for the great post. Was just wondering, in your opinion, is there any value in broadcasting little snippets of him giving up information to unnerve the rest of the resistance in Iraq? (I'm assuming they are videotaping the whole thing)

Posted by Desert Blondie 2004-2-2 1:08:16 AM|| 2004-2-2 1:08:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Far better to take your time and do it right.

Well, I dunno. Seems to be plenty of good can be done by wringing him out and then giving him to the iraqis (or kuwaitis, or kurds). Time seems to be of the essence. I'd rather he got some rough treatment than the troopers keep getting blown up and attacked.

Posted by 4thInfVet 2004-2-2 1:41:11 AM|| 2004-2-2 1:41:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 saddam can only paint his portion of the the picture. But 4th I know what you mean. I think the current attacks are related to jihadis and not baathist. Just a hunch!

Posted by Lucky 2004-2-2 2:17:14 AM|| 2004-2-2 2:17:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 the current attacks are related to jihadis and not baathist

If we accomplish anything, it will be because we finally acknowledge that the mutts will gladly stop killing eachother if it means they can kill us. Yes, the baathists are (allegedly) a secular, socialist, 'progressive' *cough* branch of islamofascism. But it's absolutely assinine to think that the baathists haven't teamed up with the aq mutts, the hizbollah mutts, the aai mutts, WHATEVER brand of walking turd is out there hoping to kill Americans. It's foolish to think otherwise. The baathist of all baathists should be used up for all he's worth, and he'll know how to crack the jihadis in the knees.

Posted by 4thInfVet 2004-2-2 2:56:46 AM|| 2004-2-2 2:56:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Am I alone in thinking that handing Sammy over to the Iraqis (or anybody else) would be a bad idea? I have a suspicion that Sammy could yet evade that what he deserves: death, or at least permanent lock-up.

Posted by Rafael 2004-2-2 4:06:02 AM|| 2004-2-2 4:06:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Rafael

In an alternative universe he might, but in this one he doesnt stand a whelks change in a supernova.

Posted by Evert Visser 2004-2-2 4:40:16 AM|| [http://chinditz.blog-city.com/] 2004-2-2 4:40:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Trying Saddam themselves will be an important - but possibly turbulent - milestone towards a new Iraq. Needs to happen there & should happen there.

I think he's more likely to be painted as a misunderstood or perhaps confused old man in certain international venues. No Iraqi is likely to make that particular mistake, no matter what their religious sect or poitical beliefs.

Posted by rkb 2004-2-2 9:54:51 AM|| 2004-2-2 9:54:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Even if Saddam refused to talk I would release this kind of report. Make his old friends sweat a bit, wondering what he's saying. Perhaps get them to move or change patterns, and give something away.

Posted by ruprecht 2004-2-2 10:08:06 AM|| 2004-2-2 10:08:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#12
Documents found with the ousted Iraqi president and information gleaned during interrogations have helped American troops disrupt those cells and track their finances, the official said.

I'll bet the information is 99% from the documents and 1% from the interrogations.

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-2-2 11:25:48 PM|| 2004-2-2 11:25:48 PM|| Front Page Top

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