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2004-01-30 Iraq

Iraq Beginning to Become a Normal Society

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Posted by Steve White 2004-01-30 10:41:39 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Iraqi sovereignty belongs to Iraqis. They need to write their own constitution, elect their own leaders and make their own mistakes.

They could not possibly do any worse than their occupiers, who have been lurching from crisis to crisis for the last eight months in a haze of incompetence and ignorance.

Posted by Tao Gold 2004-1-30 11:03:36 AM|| 2004-1-30 11:03:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 could not possibly do any worse than their occupiers

Judging from past history I bet they're perfectly capable of doing worse, much worse.

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-30 11:13:17 AM|| 2004-1-30 11:13:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 They could not possibly do any worse than their occupiers, who have been lurching from crisis to crisis for the last eight months in a haze of incompetence and ignorance.

Actually, they could end up with another ruler like Saddam and hundreds of thousands of freshly-created mass graves. The incompetence and ignorance rests on the side of the anti-American crowd, which compounds its malice by lying about American intentions in Iraq and brushing aside the scale of Saddam's evil.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-1-30 11:26:29 AM|| 2004-1-30 11:26:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Tao Gold... wow that was an incredibly stupid statement. Is there an award for that kinda stupidity? Because you went all out and I'd vote for ya.

Posted by Damn_Proud_American 2004-1-30 11:42:45 AM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com] 2004-1-30 11:42:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Zhang, are you forgetting Saddam is the creation of America. Who armed him, who looked away as he was commiting atrocities against the Shiites.

Posted by Tao Gold 2004-1-30 12:38:01 PM|| 2004-1-30 12:38:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Tao Gold-- If the US armed him, why did he have so damn many Russian tanks? And if you want to know who looked away while he was killing his own people, look no further than the UN.

Posted by Desert Blondie 2004-1-30 12:45:03 PM|| 2004-1-30 12:45:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Damn Proud American....let's start up an award in honor of Faisal and his couch surfing, rent avoiding buddy TG. Fellow Rantburgers, how about the "BBC Award" for continued spouting off of tired old BS in defiance of the facts, especially if it is anti-American or anti-Israel?

Posted by Desert Blondie 2004-1-30 12:48:57 PM|| 2004-1-30 12:48:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 "Tao Gold" -- check the facts, and you'll see that the primary weapons suppliers to Iraq were Russia (thus the AKs and T-series tanks), France (Mirages) and China. The US sold them a couple of transport helicopters during the Iran-Iraq War, when we were hoping Iraq would soak up Iran's jihadi supply.

Do people like Tao Gold work hard to maintain their ignorance, or does it come naturally?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-1-30 1:22:11 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-1-30 1:22:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Ok, who's got the link to that Swedish/Swiss group that shows Russia at 57% thru 1990 and the US at 1%(?)

The truth is out there, Tao. And you don't have it.

Posted by Anonymous2U 2004-1-30 1:25:51 PM|| 2004-1-30 1:25:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Tao, fill us in on the "Us armed saddam" thing. It would make a great thread. Start at the beginning and lay it out.

You do have some facts right?

Posted by Lucky 2004-1-30 1:38:16 PM|| 2004-1-30 1:38:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Zhang, are you forgetting Saddam is the creation of America. Who armed him, who looked away as he was commiting atrocities against the Shiites.

Tao Gold, are you forgetting that the US had no diplomatic relations with Iraq until the early 1980's, and that Saddam's armory was composed mainly of Russian, Chinese and French equipment? Even if Saddam was a CIA agent (for intelligence on Iraqi politics), as some allege, that's quite different from saying that he carried out his invasions and massacres on the CIA's orders.* Sammy the Bull Gravano (the mob consigliere) murdered people and trafficked in drugs after he became an FBI agent, but it's hard to argue that the FBI was involved. If the FBI was unable to control Gravano, and Gravano was in the US, it's hard to see how the CIA might have controlled Saddam, given that Saddam had the resources of an entire oil-rich country protecting him.

* Even if we accept the anti-American argument that Saddam was an American operative gone rogue, wouldn't it be America's reponsibility to shoot him down, just as it is the responsibility of a dog's owner to put down his rabid dog?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-1-30 1:53:19 PM|| 2004-1-30 1:53:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 ..are you forgetting Saddam is the creation of America. Who armed him,..

Certainly not the U.S., unless you believe that civilian use helicopters converted for military use by the Iraqis constitutes "arms".

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-1-30 2:41:16 PM|| 2004-1-30 2:41:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Tao Gold, where'd you go? It must have hurt getting smacked upside your hollow skill with actually FACTS! LOL! Fear the Clue-Bat! People, and I use that term loosely, like you make me laugh! Thanks!

But as funny (funny stupid, not funny haha) as you are, please don't come back to this battle of wits unless you arm yourself first.

TaTa!

Posted by Swiggles 2004-1-30 3:05:23 PM|| 2004-1-30 3:05:23 PM|| Front Page Top

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