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2003-12-21 Africa: North

Think the Bush Doctrine encouraged Qaddafi to dump his WMDs? Youâre wrong says Carnegie Inst.

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Posted by 4thInfVet 2003-12-21 1:18:24 PM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Heh. Reading the article, I got the impression Cirincione had to work very hard to restrain himself from crediting Madeline Albright and Bill Clinton for Qaddafy's capitulation.

I also get the impression he's worked very hard to avoid acknowledging a simple reality: diplomacy with a determined adversary works a lot better when coupled with a credible threat of force. And that threat remains very credible, notwithstanding any difficulties in getting Iraq squared away.

Posted by Dave D. 2003-12-21 1:44:33 PM|| 2003-12-21 1:44:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 4IV You forgot one: "Freedom is slavery."

Posted by Glenn (not Reynolds) 2003-12-21 1:49:36 PM|| 2003-12-21 1:49:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Iran, however, signed an important accord last week to open its nuclear facilities to international inspections.

I'm thinking of one sure way to open the facilities...

Posted by Raj 2003-12-21 1:51:14 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com] 2003-12-21 1:51:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 4IV You forgot one: "Freedom is slavery."

My mistake, of course it should have been in there. In addition, "Almost the opposite" really means 'complete vindication of', you just have to able to spin at around 10k rpm.

ps. thanks for cleaning up my sloppy markup-job, football and editing don't mix

Posted by 4thInfVet 2003-12-21 1:54:33 PM|| 2003-12-21 1:54:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 If this Carnegie guy is right, why did Col. Gadhafi call up Berlusconi a few months ago and say "Help me. I don't want to be the next Saddam"? Sounds like sour grapes to me. A guy from an organization with "peace" in it's name can't very well credit "war" with the expansion of the peace, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

Posted by Tibor 2003-12-21 2:04:07 PM|| 2003-12-21 2:04:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I think the ass clown misses a vital point - Mumu negotiated with the US and Britain. If soft power was the answer, the US would have been excluded from the negotiations. Kofi Annan, Mr. Charmin, would have been a party to the negotiations not a guy on the outside looking in. Anyone know what "vital role" the UN played in this?

Posted by Super Hose 2003-12-21 2:48:14 PM|| 2003-12-21 2:48:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 There is only one interesting question in all this: How much does the Carnegie Endowment pay this guy? Everything he says is so banal and predictable, if it's more than a dollar a year, it's gross overpayment.

Posted by RLS 2003-12-21 3:20:08 PM|| [www.rogerlsimon.com] 2003-12-21 3:20:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Tibor #5: You beat me. 4 Sep Telegraph archive money quote:

A spokesman for Mr Berlusconi said the prime minister had been telephoned recently by Col Gaddafi of Libya, who said: "I will do whatever the Americans want, because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid."

Moaner Daffy less like Saddam than he looks? 'Course, families of Lockerbie dead probably see him as 9/11 survivors see OBL. It is just so damned tough to fix a busted rep!

Posted by Glenn (not Reynolds) 2003-12-21 3:33:02 PM|| 2003-12-21 3:33:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Iran, however, signed an important accord last week to open its nuclear facilities to international inspections.

If they say that, they're lying. Iran has pledged to sign the agreement, but hasn't yet, saying they dont want to fall into a dastardly American trap.

But, hey, lies in the service of the UN aren't lies, are they?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-12-21 3:46:57 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2003-12-21 3:46:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 #7 -- Cirincione is an expert on weapons proliferation. He is certainly not a person who would be employed in secret discussions with Qaddafi or anyone else in the Middle East because his knowledge of the region, its history, and its major participants is limited. In sum, he defines the term "pointy-headed intellectual".

Posted by Tancred 2003-12-21 4:04:17 PM|| 2003-12-21 4:04:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 it was the u.n., france, and sanctions that REALLY did

Yep, and my WIN button is keeping interest rates low.

Posted by Shipman 2003-12-21 4:55:49 PM|| 2003-12-21 4:55:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 How does one become an expert on weapons proliferation without having detailed knowledge of the region and the major players?

Posted by Fred 2003-12-21 5:05:10 PM|| 2003-12-21 5:05:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 We should bomb Kimmy's house and kill his daughter? Seems kind of drastic...

Gotta dance with the girl that brung ya, as The Man said.

On a related note, we used to this cadence in the service:
Hey Kaddhafi
look out your window
see your daughter
your french FRIED daughter
pick up your weapon
etc., etc.,

Hey, it's funny when you're 19.

Posted by 4thInfVet 2003-12-21 7:10:50 PM|| 2003-12-21 7:10:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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