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2003-10-21 Europe
Where the Moors Held Sway, Allah Is Praised Again
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Posted by Paul Moloney 2003-10-21 1:49:19 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Tolerance is a great thing. But it cannot be one way. Unfortunately, it is.
Posted by Tokyo Taro 2003-10-21 2:11:49 AM||   2003-10-21 2:11:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Clemenceau said:

"Tolerance! There are houses for that!". In French a house of tolerance is a brothel.
Posted by JFM  2003-10-21 3:44:00 AM||   2003-10-21 3:44:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I’ve noticed that, in Europe especially, Islam seems to be particularly attractive to leftists...

Wretchard at Belmont Club has written some brilliant stuff on this subject. If you haven't discovered this blog before, it's worth reading from the first post onwards.
Posted by Bulldog  2003-10-21 5:35:00 AM||   2003-10-21 5:35:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Fascism was started by socialists looking for a "third way"; they were troubled by the failures of Marx to get anything correct, but too enamored of the power a strong state would give them over other people to consider (true) liberalism worthwhile.

That the left is now turning to Islamic fascism is no surprise.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2003-10-21 7:16:59 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2003-10-21 7:16:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 "they are well-educated European converts."

That is, by definition, impossible.
Posted by BH  2003-10-21 10:06:32 AM||   2003-10-21 10:06:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Wire Paladin, Palace Hotel, San Francisco...
Posted by mojo  2003-10-21 10:27:34 AM||   2003-10-21 10:27:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 BH, they're well educated EUROPEANS. Different standards of "well educated" over there.
Posted by Charles  2003-10-21 10:28:02 AM||   2003-10-21 10:28:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 The "growth" of Islam has been puzzling to me ever since I found out what it was really like. Makes me wonder what the PR version looks like. In the real world of how it is practised, Islam appeals to many men for some pretty bad reasons - it is more than obvious that Little Mike had "issues" with women and was, by any modern Western definition, seriously screwed up - and that's leaving out the "voices" thing, y'know? No matter what the outward appearance and credentials are, for a man to find its practices palatable, he has to be a complete loser. When it appeals to a Western woman, hey, you've got to consider her more than just a little fucked up. Can you say masochistic with a full-blown "Daddy" complex? What a mess these people must be. Islam is a bottom-feeder. I certainly view Lew Alcindor, Cassius Clay, Will Smith, Cat Stevens and the rest much much differently, now. Proof that you can hold the world in your hand and still be a loser.
Posted by .com 2003-10-21 10:52:59 AM||   2003-10-21 10:52:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 It was just too long a wait until the next millenium. Wait for the next comet approach and these new muslim brothers will find a new passtime.

Islam takes quite a bit of effort. All the praying interrupts vacations, television and siesta time. Drinking isn't allowed.

For the "Euro-socialists" Islam is a passing fad.
Posted by Super Hose  2003-10-21 11:02:17 AM||   2003-10-21 11:02:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 All who refuse to follow the rule of morality and law will always find some means of rejecting and destroying the fabric of society
Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-21 11:29:59 AM||   2003-10-21 11:29:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Anonymous - Care to expand on that? That's just exactly vague enough to be worthless. The Law of the land I can handle...

Rule of "morality"? Whose?

BTW, any society that is held together by common consent, not some imagined "laws of morality", will be resilient enough to weather the rejection by its inevitable miscreants and misfits. If not, then it is not worthy to survive, nor will it.

Are you advocating something? Spell it out so we can see if it holds water.
Posted by .com 2003-10-21 12:09:49 PM||   2003-10-21 12:09:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I read an article about the Murabitun earlier this year; the impression was that they were idealists that had lost their paradise, as the communist experiment pitifully crashed, and had simply replaced it with an another one. Converting to islam : the ultimate rejection of western society. Same thing in France; the loudest converts to islam, from holocaust deniers to rap "artists" were originally leftists or communists. There is also an undeniable convergence; Tarik Ramadan, Geneva-based ideologist of the muslim brotherhood in Europe (grandson of the founder), was recently invited in the "Larzac 2003" & "European social Forum" antiglobo jamborees, and basically said muslim youths will add their weight to the mvt if the antiglobos only addressed their issues. Last saturday, he also was featured in the very same popular show that launched the conspiracy theory 'terrible lie' book (gvt-owned network), where he had a love affair with the leader of one of our equivalent (?) of your ACLU.
Revolutionnary islam is up. Muslims are the new international working class.
Posted by Another Anonymous 2003-10-21 1:21:07 PM||   2003-10-21 1:21:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Will Smith is Muslim!?
Posted by someone 2003-10-21 2:10:59 PM||   2003-10-21 2:10:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Why do lefties like Islam?

It's the hash, folks...
Posted by Raj 2003-10-21 2:40:13 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com]  2003-10-21 2:40:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 "Will Smith is Muslim!?"

Yeah - converted during filming of Ali. So much for the Bad Boys & MiB series.
Posted by .com 2003-10-21 2:50:51 PM||   2003-10-21 2:50:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 right...make Jada Pinkston Smith get her ass in a burka and I'll be impressed, Will. Bet it was a PR thing
Posted by Frank G  2003-10-21 3:25:03 PM||   2003-10-21 3:25:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 The rule of morality is what all people know is wrong no matter if they denie it
Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-21 3:55:31 PM||   2003-10-21 3:55:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 The lack of objective exposition of Islam is creating a window of opportunity for Muslim programers. It is political-correctitude at work again.
Posted by Anonon 2003-10-21 3:59:06 PM||   2003-10-21 3:59:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 "The rule of morality is what all people know is wrong no matter if they denie it
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I think I follow your thinking - and wish I could agree. There was a time, back when I was a bit younger, when I thought that a bomber / suicide bomber who blew up innocent people would be universally condemned. Universal = all people. I was wrong. Sorry, but I can't imagine anything more obviously wrong and immoral than that. Whether it's Harrods or Haifa or Oklahoma City - same thing.

Sadly, the world does not accept your definition. The proof is in the actions, which span the entire spectrum, and the fact that there are supporters for every "cause" - regardless of the acts perpetrated in the name of that cause.

You and I might, indeed, agree on a code of conduct, but "all" will not happen - not in this world. Thx for the response!
Posted by .com 2003-10-21 4:47:18 PM||   2003-10-21 4:47:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 It's not a matter of following of what is right but knowing in your mind that you commited wrong even the sucicide bombers you speak of knew they commited murder as they blew themselves up
Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-21 7:25:23 PM||   2003-10-21 7:25:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 It's not a matter of following of what is right but knowing in your mind that you commited wrong even the sucicide bombers you speak of knew they commited murder as they blew themselves up
Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-21 7:25:48 PM||   2003-10-21 7:25:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 The population of Granada is about 218,000 according to world gazette--google it. So we're worried about 1000 nut jobs?
Posted by NotMikeMoore 2003-10-21 10:39:48 PM||   2003-10-21 10:39:48 PM|| Front Page Top

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