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2003-10-07 Fifth Column

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Posted by Steve 2003-10-07 11:27:50 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The name "California" comes from the Arabic word calif, meaning ruler or leader No you asshat, it didn't. You didn't even spell Caliph correctly.
Early in the sixteenth century, Spanish writer GarcÃ RodrÃguez OrdÃ³Ã±ez de Montalvo published a book called Las Sergas de EsplandiÃ¡n (The Exploits of EsplandiÃ¡n). One of the characters in this fantasy was CalafÃa, the queen of California, "more beautiful than all the rest."
Montalvo described this mythical California as an island inhabited solely by black women who lived "in the manner of Amazons."
Historians assume that Montalvo's novel was known to the Spanish explorers who first sailed along the coast of the Baja California peninsula in the early 1500s. Apparently the explorers named the peninsula "California" after the mythical island in the novel. HernÃ¡n CortÃ©s, the conqueror of the Aztec empire, reported in 1524 that he expected to find an island of Amazons along the northwest coast of Mexico.
Montalvo's novel includes these words: "Know ye that on the right hand of the Indies there is an island called California, very near the Terrestrial Paradise and inhabited by black women without a single man among them and living in the manner of Amazons. They are robust of body, strong and passionate in heart, and of great valor. Their island is one of the most rugged in the world with bold rocks and crags. Their arms are all of gold, as is the harnesses of the wild beasts which, after taming, they ride. In all the island there is no other metal."

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2003-10-7 11:37:21 AM|| 2003-10-7 11:37:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Interesting story Yosemite Sam, I hadn't heard that and it sounds more credible than the version I'd heard growing up.

I'd heard California came from Caliph (I don't remember where I heard it) but the connection was not that Arabs had gotten to California but that Spain had once been Islamic controlled and Caliphornia stuck in the language as the land of peace or something. Of course this doesn't really make sense since the Spanish were not likely to look fondly on the time of the Caliph when they'd just kicked Islam out of Spain.

Posted by Yank 2003-10-7 12:18:57 PM|| 2003-10-7 12:18:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 and of course, "Los Angeles", "San Jose", "Santa Barbara", "San Francisco", "San Diego" were all named for.....um...Mohammed's ..uh.....girlfriends,... yeah, that's the ticket

Posted by Frank G 2003-10-7 1:19:14 PM|| 2003-10-7 1:19:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 This sounds like the same school of thought that proclaimed the ancient Egyptians flew gliders and had discovered storage batteries, pregnancy tests and evolution. http://www.csicop.org/si/9111/minority.org

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2003-10-7 1:24:10 PM|| 2003-10-7 1:24:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Frank - Coffee Alert!!!

Posted by .com 2003-10-7 1:45:46 PM|| 2003-10-7 1:45:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Jihadis for Dean! FUCK YOU

we do not need to fucking Jihadis in America - if you do come expect to meet Mr.Ashcroft -

Posted by Dan 2003-10-7 1:49:17 PM|| 2003-10-7 1:49:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Arabic writings have been found in some caves in California.

Yeah, and people claim to have found Phoenecian writing in New England, along with Oggham, cuniform, and Egyptian hieratic -- sometimes on the same stone. Then there are the Romans that supposedly settled near Tucson, the Phoenecian settlement in southern Illinois, and, of course, the Israelite civilization of south-central Ohio.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-10-7 1:55:22 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-10-7 1:55:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Yosemite Sam is right. The only Arabic thing about it is that Montalvo used a Moorish sounding name for the queen.

"Now I wish you to know about the strangest thing ever found anywhere in written texts or in human memory. [â¦] I tell you that on the right-hand side of the Indies there was an island called California, which was very close to the region of the Earthly Paradise. This island was inhabited by black women, and there were no males among them at all, for their life style was similar to that of the Amazons. The island was made up of the wildest cliffs and the sharpest precipices found anywhere in the world. These women had energetic bodies and courageous, ardent hearts, and they were very strong. Their armor was made entirely out of goldâwhich was the only metal found on the islandâas were the trappings on the fierce beasts that they rode once they were tamed. They lived in very well-designed caves. They had many ships they used to sally forth on their raiding expeditions and in which they carried away the men they seized and whom they killed in a way about which you will soon hear. On occasion, they kept the peace with their male opponents, and the females and the males mixed with each other with complete safety, and they had carnal relations, from which unions it follows that many of the women became pregnant. If they bore a female, they kept her, but if they bore a male, he was immediately killed. The reason for this, inasmuch as it is known, is that, according to their thinking, they were set on reducing the number of males to so small a group that the Amazons could easily rule over them and all their lands; therefore, they kept only those few men whom they realized they needed for their race not to die out."

I will refrain from further comments about the Californian women of today :-)

Posted by True German Ally 2003-10-7 2:12:52 PM|| 2003-10-7 2:12:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Once the Mexicans seize California, will the jehadis declare holy war to liberate their property?

Posted by Superhose 2003-10-7 3:25:22 PM|| 2003-10-7 3:25:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Spanish is a language who has a lot of arab-derived
words (eg alcalde, the major, derives from al caid, the boss) specially such as is spoken in Andalucia.
Some names in places discovered by the Spanish are derived from places in Spain, this makes for several
of them being derived from the Arabic (Guadalajara "River of the stone", other people told me it meant "River of sh.t". Guadalupe "River of").
But if you had suggested to one of the Conquistadores that there was something Islamic
about the names he would have killed you. :-)

Posted by JFM 2003-10-7 3:31:30 PM|| 2003-10-7 3:31:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 "The Declaration of Independence possesses Islamic concepts."

Absolute garbage. The Declaration of Independence comes out of the ideals of the Enlightenment, a European invention that NEVER found sway in the Muslim world.

This sounds like the old joke about the Russian who takes credit for inventing everything.

I mean what religion doesn't purport to believe in the basic principles found in the Declaration. Big deal. How has that religion BEHAVED when it's come down to implementing those ideals?

Pure crapola.

Posted by R. McLeod 2003-10-7 4:25:17 PM|| 2003-10-7 4:25:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Yes, I vaguely rememember the story of the Native American Muslims rowing out in their suicide canoes to blow the Mayflower out of the water. I belive that makes Plymouth, MA the 273rd most "Holy Place in Islam"...

Posted by tu3031 2003-10-7 7:03:53 PM|| 2003-10-7 7:03:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 There's so much of this type of PC/Revisionist rubbish around; especially in the urban high schools I used to work in, e.g. Cleopatra was black, the US Constitution was "stolen" from the Iroquois, etc.

R.McLeod--Do you remember when the Soviets (mid-80's) claimed they'd "invented" break dancing? I swear to God, they said that.

tu3031--Plymouth..273rd holiest place LOL!!!

By the way, Everyone knows St. Brendan & the Irish discovered America!

Posted by JDB 2003-10-7 7:42:15 PM|| 2003-10-7 7:42:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 I thought California was derived from 'Calif' meaning 'hot' and 'fornication' meaning.. well you know.... That makes California the land of hot .. you know.. :)

I also thought the Chinese discovered America first (actually the asians crossing over the landbridge did..).

And, I think Spain had a lot of moorish influence since it was conqured for a time by the Moors during the middle ages. This might explain the 'islamic' names in the spanish language.

What parts of the Declaration of Independance is Islamic? The part about 'We the people'?? Brahahahahahaha!!!

Posted by CrazyFool 2003-10-7 9:41:07 PM|| 2003-10-7 9:41:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Editorial in the Charlotte Observer by Jibril Hough, president of the Charlotte North Carolina chapter of the Islamic Political Party of America rewrites history.

-I would like to issue a fatwa against Mr. Hough for being a stupid-ass mother f*cker.

Jihadis for Dean!

-I heard Dean's proctologist found ancient runes in his ass. It was on Fox News last night.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-10-7 10:03:40 PM|| 2003-10-7 10:03:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Well Jarhead when you get your head outta your ass Fox (Faux) News is not an unbiased source--I'd believe Al Jizz b4 Faux News

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2003-10-7 11:10:54 PM|| 2003-10-7 11:10:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Well Jarhead when you get your head outta your ass Fox (Faux) News is not an unbiased source--I'd believe Al Jizz b4 Faux News.

NMM - DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT WAS ON FOX NEWS?? You don't have a touch of autism do you? As you obviously don't understand sarcasm, satire or irony. Also, thanx for your take on Fox vs. Al Jizz, by your logic Peter Jennings and NPR are also straight sources of info. Mike Moron.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-10-8 7:45:26 AM|| 2003-10-8 7:45:26 AM|| Front Page Top

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