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2003-09-15 Middle East
U.S. stopped Israeli raid to seize Arafat
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Posted by Frank G 2003-09-15 11:28:36 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 If this was only Powell, I'd agree that this was a bad mistake. But if Condi weighed in, then I'd like to hear what her take is on it: Her track record is so much better than Powell's on things like this.

My gut feel is that Condi wanted more time to think things through, and that the pace of events took her by surprise.
Posted by Ptah  2003-9-15 11:37:51 AM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2003-9-15 11:37:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Time to flood the White House with email. Forget your Congressman & Senator - go for Dubya direct here:
president@whitehouse.gov

BUT KEEP IT CLEAN AND SIMPLE AND NON-THREATENING!

Get the point across with numbers, folks. Pass the email addy to everyone you know - don't forget to pass along the warning, too.

Maybe, just maybe, we can get the big guy to realize that there is strong support for strong measures. And that the greatest "problem" in the M.E. is the continued presence of the murderer Arafat.
Posted by .com (Prez for Life - My Isles of Langerhans) 2003-9-15 11:42:23 AM||   2003-9-15 11:42:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The Israelis missed their chance that first night when mostly men brandishing AK's went to the Muqata to defend Yasser.

I would have loved to see a couple of volleys of tear gas as Yasser addressed them.

Now its Palestinian folk dancing and their Boy Scouts performing there.

Now it's turning into a PR disaster.
Posted by Daniel King 2003-9-15 12:01:36 PM||   2003-9-15 12:01:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Since when does Israel listen to the US ? Sounds like a last warning to Arafat with the US getting to look like the good guys. One more bomb, and Arafat is a goner.
Posted by eyeyeye 2003-9-15 12:04:28 PM||   2003-9-15 12:04:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 ""The United States does not support either the elimination or the exile of Mr. Arafat," Powell said. "It is not our position and the Israeli government knows this. There would be rage in the Arab world and the Muslim world..... "

You have got to be kidding me.

This unbelievable double standard crap has got to stop, NOW! We, the United States, have publically declared that we want to kill or capture Oama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. We HAVE proved that we are entirely in earnest by targeting, pursuing and killing Saddam Hussein's two misanthropic, cretinous sons. We then posted pictures of their dead bodies for the whole world to see. We then "desecrated" their corpses by "fixing them up" cosmetically for further pictures. No matter what we think of them, they were Muslims, and even so-called "moderate" muslims would be appalled at that act. Imagine what the already furious muslims would think. Was Powell concerned then about the rage of the Arab world? Don't get me wrong, I was and completely am still 100% behind every action we have taken in this war on terror since it started, and I believe that we had ample reason to do everything we did in Iraq. But we do not have 1/10th of the physical, indisputable evidence that Israel has to justify the elimination of the PLO and it's leader. If testimonies of frightened scientists, long-range drones, and abandoned WMD factory trucks were "smoking guns" for us, then Israel can produce an entire "smoking armory" of justifications for it's actions.

And for Heaven's sake... What Road Map?!!! The only road paved by any of these peace process efforts of the past 10 years is utterly impassable... because it is littered with dead bodies, rocketed cars, and shredded buses - from both sides of the conflict. The road of peace that we keep trying to pave and map literally looks like the final scene of "The Road Warrior". Screw the ridiculous roadmap, screw the PLO, and screw these constant, inane attempts to placate and appease this culture that has neither the desire nor capacity to reciprocate in kind.
Posted by Ken B. 2003-9-15 12:17:50 PM||   2003-9-15 12:17:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Ken B - Excellent - easily Rant of the Day quality!!! Kudos!
Posted by .com (Prez for Life - My Isles of Langerhans) 2003-9-15 1:48:53 PM||   2003-9-15 1:48:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Remember the ratio: 47 to 1 in US/Israeli population. When they lose 10 people to a terrorist's bomb belt, it is the equivalent of the US losing 470 people. Would we be willing to write off 470 people? I think not. We may be playing our cards close to the deck, but its time to call and show. If we do not, then we are just enabling Arafat's behavior. Let the Israelis defend themselves. This is an outrage.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2003-9-15 3:04:58 PM||   2003-9-15 3:04:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 

Granted, Arafat's a vile thug, but he's their vile thug and
symbol of their struggle--and they're bound to rally round him, even
without gunmen requesting their attendence at the
rallies. Anybody can predict that
this sort of threat will only make Arafat more popular. {The only thing
that was good at making him unpopular was actual governing. I seem to
recall that a lot of people were getting very sick of the PA a few years
back--mad enough to risk complaining. Think maybe that's one of the
reasons Arafat launched the second Intifada: to distract the people?}


So why make the threats? Is this desperation, or klutziness? Or are they
planning to make a big deal out of stomping him, and hang in there for
the resulting explosions? I'd worry about that--if some bigshot
Palestinian were to move fast enough he could take up the mantle of Arafat
and consolidate his power with a vengence war; and things could look very
ugly for a long time.

Or is somebody being clever and this is meant as a distraction?
What happens to the Hamas bigwigs during this turmoil? If they have to
pop up and yell "We're important too!" it makes them
easier to find: that's good. If they have to go kiss Arafat's ring, then
maybe it helps consolidate control of the terror groups, which would also
be a good thing (makes decapitation or spying easier). (A pity
negotiation isn't possible.)

Posted by James 2003-9-15 6:01:19 PM|| [http://www.idontknowbut.blogspot.com]  2003-9-15 6:01:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 This is total crap. If we're serious about terrorism, let's be serious about it. If not, then lets just blow ourselves up and save them the trouble. I'm really disappointed with Powell and Rice, as well as the President for not standing up on this one.
Posted by Anonymous 2003-9-15 6:22:03 PM||   2003-9-15 6:22:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Once Bush wins re-election (which, if he really screws Israel, may be questionable), he needs to dump Powell. The "Good cop-Bad cop" played out long ago. We need someone at State willing to clean out the stables and start running that organization as part of the United States government.

As for Arafart, the best thing to do is to let him stew until there's another bomb blast in Israel. Shouldn't take too long - a week or two at most. Then go in with guns blazing, and damn whoever gets in the way for stopping your bullets. Kill him, anybody with him, and totally raze the entire Paleo "capital" and all its "ministries". Those are for real governments, not the piece of kiss-ass crap Arafart runs.
Posted by Old Patriot  2003-9-15 8:37:05 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm]  2003-9-15 8:37:05 PM|| Front Page Top

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