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2003-09-05 Iraq

Turkey Negotiates With U.S. on Iraq Troops

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Posted by Murat 2003-09-05 8:12:44 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Listen Murat...I say it only once...Islam and Democracy are mutually exclusive...therefore, Islam will have to go bye-bye...

Posted by Steve D. 2003-9-5 8:40:21 AM|| 2003-9-5 8:40:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 "As U.S. casualties have mounted in recent weeks, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has expressed hesitation about aiding the American effort, declaring that "Turkish forces will not be permitted to sink in any quagmire in Iraq.""

Today's Turks just don't have the stomach for doing the tough jobs. We don't need "Summer Soldiers" for Iraq.

Americans are willing to help Iraq, the real question is who else is. But at a time when American troops have time for: "U.S. troops have spent more than $15 million in Nineveh province, rebuilding, renovating or refurbishing hundreds of clinics, hospitals, schools, and a music hall; getting water running, digging wells in dried up villages, fixing roads and installing a 911 emergency medical telephone line. Theyâve even set up Internet cafes and sponsored 160 soccer teams ahead of the start of the new season this month."â¦ I have to wonder what all the UN maneuverings about more countries sending troops to Iraq is REALLY all about.

Posted by Dave 2003-9-5 8:57:39 AM|| 2003-9-5 8:57:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Turkey is a shithole. I was stationed there for way to long. Nothing but poverty and destitution. Oh, wait, they are still a Muslim country. That's about normal. Then they wonder why the EU doesn't want them to let them join the club?! What a joke. Idiots like Murat are typical of the population. Well, unless you are there spending some money to support their hopeless economy...then they love you. Until you turn your back. We should arm the Kurds. They'd kick the Turks ass with a little help from us.

Posted by Swiggles 2003-9-5 9:32:11 AM|| 2003-9-5 9:32:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 "As U.S. casualties have mounted in recent weeks, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has expressed hesitation about aiding the American effort" Hey Murat you really need to get around, like Instapundit -

According to this week's story from Scripps Howard News Service, there are 140,000 troops in Iraq, and there have been 286 fatalities from all causes since the war began in March (about 24 weeks ago). That gives us an annualized death rate of 443 per 100,000. Only about half of these deaths (147) were in combat, for a combat death rate of 228 per 100,000.

According to Center for Disease Control / National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, there were 21,836 young black men (age 18-30) in Washington DC in 2000, the latest year that mortality data is available. The total number of deaths in this group from all causes was 132, with 95 homicides. i.e. the death rate for this group was 604 per 100,000 and the murder rate was 435 per 100,000.

In other words, a young black male soldier from Washington DC would have been 36% more likely to die by staying at home than by serving in active duty in the Iraq war, and almost twice as likely to be murdered at home than to be killed in combat. Yes, that's horribly sad, but it puts a few things in perspective.

Posted by Don 2003-9-5 9:42:30 AM|| 2003-9-5 9:42:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 There was a lot of talk going around right after 9/11 about giving the Middle East back to Turkey.

Turkey could have taken over Iraqi duty (after the US kicked out Saddam) and watched the area as part of the UN Trusteeship Program while profiting from the oil. But Turkey had dillusions that the French/German axis would allow them to join Europe.

Now, after the betrayal in preventing US troops to open up a Northern Front as they'd agreed, I'd rather see the Turks stay out of Iraq. I think most of the Bush Administration probably agrees.

Posted by Yank 2003-9-5 2:57:15 PM|| 2003-9-5 2:57:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I thought the idea of additional troops was to help stabilize the situation in Iraq. A Turkish military presence is not likely to help with that. If they are going in, send them way down south, away from the Kurdish area.

Posted by sludj 2003-9-5 4:22:28 PM|| 2003-9-5 4:22:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Wow, there's something that blew past that Murat didn't see.

The Great Hegemon, the Policeman of the World, The masters behind the puppets of the goveernment of Turkey, the United States...

.... turned the ships bearing the equipment of the 4th ID around and went the long way around to get into the fight.

Hell, THIS is how an EMPIRE is run? No wonder that the Belgans, Germans and French (past masters and Empire holders themselves), snicker at our ineptitude.

Meanwhile, TURKISH Special Forces and army units barge their way into Iraq, with no permission whatsoever. Did they happen to have civilian approval and a parliamentary vote to do so?

Murat, things would be a lot easier on you if you didn't (in effect) jump up and down and demand, "DON'T LOOK AT THOSE FACTS! IGNORE THEM! LOOK AT MINE, AND MINE ALONE!"

Pfft. Do you honestly think Rantburgers are the kinds of people who will obey, much less listen to, anyone who demands that what they know be ignored? Our intelligence agencies ignored some facts and 9/11 happens. F*ck doing THAT again.

Posted by Ptah 2003-9-5 4:48:11 PM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2003-9-5 4:48:11 PM|| Front Page Top

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