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2003-02-19 Middle East
Hamas Says Israel Killed at Least 6 in Gaza Blast
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Posted by Steve 2003-02-19 11:30 am|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6492 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Here's a radical idea: Cut off all but food aid to the paleos, and tell them to just grow the f*** up.
Posted by Bulldog  2003-02-19 11:46:19||   2003-02-19 11:46:19|| Front Page Top

#2 Ah, the old " Magic Booby Trapped Remote Controlled Plane Trick".
Another "work accident" is my bet.
Posted by tu3031 2003-02-19 12:33:18||   2003-02-19 12:33:18|| Front Page Top

#3 you think they'd learn: is selling em so cheap ...for a reason
friggin dumbasses.... and tell me the Israelis don't know how radio controlled devices can be steered the wrong way (!) with an overriding signal...

"good work mahmoud!... finally one's taken off to implement our evil plot against the Zionists...wait, it's coming back! no!"

when they have to revert to such rube goldberg designs you know they're scraping the bottom of the barrel
Posted by Frank G  2003-02-19 13:43:40||   2003-02-19 13:43:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Is it just me or does this sound like a V-2. Wonder if those toy planes came from Germany, if so it would be ironic.
Posted by Anonymous 2003-02-19 14:36:21||   2003-02-19 14:36:21|| Front Page Top

#5 I didn't realize Wiley Coyote was working for Hamas these days. Still buying his gadgets from Acme. Beep, beep, Ka Boom!
Posted by Steve  2003-02-19 14:42:42||   2003-02-19 14:42:42|| Front Page Top

#6 Anonymous, I think you mean V-1? Not half as sophisticated or practical as the Germans' efforts back in the 40s though, as these birds would be easily jammed, as said before...
Posted by Bulldog  2003-02-19 17:11:00||   2003-02-19 17:11:00|| Front Page Top

#7 My father and brother fly RC airplanes, and I've been around them all my life.

If the Paleos are ordering consumer models of these airplanes, they usually weigh in between 5 and 15 lbs, and are powered by 0.45 to 1.2 engines. Some big ones now are using 4-cycle, gasoline powered engines similar to or identical to what you find in gas-powered weed whackers. The engines generally have a muffler; with that at an altitude of say 400 feet the sound would be noticable in a quiet (desert) environment but not in a city environment. The "payload" on these might be a couple of pounds (2 lbs of C-4 could do some damage).

The radio controllers use one of a defined set of frequencies (last I heard it was ~72 MHz in the US but that might have changed; I try NOT to listen to my father and brother :-) and have 3 to 6 channels. To make one go boom you'd have one channel set to control a servo that would work a detonator. That in turn could be as simple as a circuit and a AA battery. The transmitters have line of sight range to the horizon. My dad used to fly RC gliders from the back of a pickup truck driven by a friend; so you could move about to keep the plane in sight. I imagine this would bring a strong response from the IDF. Consumer models sold in the U.S. (almost all made in the far East) have the usual FCC-required shielding for interference; I imagine their radiated signal would be easily noted with appropriate detection gear.

Pre-built, "ready-to-fly" kits would run $40 to $200, an engine would be $50 to $150, and a 4 channel radio rig would be $100 to $300.

Flying these takes some practice, most beginners crash and break their first several planes. A Paleo RC plane bomber would have to get some proficiency; this takes perhaps 20 to 50 hours practice. After that it would be rather simple to fly a plane out towards and onto a potential target, particularly if you have a spotter working for you.

Frank G notes one simple countermeasure. It's consumer quality equipment so this is certainly possible. I'm sure there are others; the IDF isn't talking :-)

Hope this helps the discussion!
Posted by Steve White  2003-02-19 17:51:19||   2003-02-19 17:51:19|| Front Page Top

#8 Shhh Steve, this ain't a forum (see top). But, do/can they have gyros? I mean, could you get them airbourne and set them on auto trim? Can't see they're an improvement on mortars or rockets, myself...
Posted by Deleteme 2003-02-19 18:06:30||   2003-02-19 18:06:30|| Front Page Top

#9 The Cheap Option: Off the shelf handheld GPS, Gyros, and a common off the shelf motherboard/CPU combo, with off-the-shelf mapping software, a couple of grand and it sounds like you could come pretty close to a system that could be put in a drone -style RC aircraft.

The Expensive Option: Off the shelf GPS Slaved Outpilot systems for any General Aviation Aircraft.

Is it me or am I hearing more than the usual background noise about "drones" lately? What is it that they would get with a drone that they wouldnt get with microlight piloted aircraft?
Posted by Frank Martin  2003-02-19 23:41:29|| []  2003-02-19 23:41:29|| Front Page Top

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