Article

2021-12-09 Europe

Special Operations: The Russian Plan For Absorbing Ukraine

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Speregum Tholuth7044 2021-12-09 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 The article lists the current situation as we know it. Where is the Russian plan ?

Posted by Besoeker 2021-12-09 00:52|| 2021-12-09 00:52|| Front Page Top

#2 A good question for our beloved CIA, Besoeker.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-12-09 02:08|| 2021-12-09 02:08|| Front Page Top

#3 Plz provide evidence of the Russian buildup. Have the warmongering Bidenistas provided any satellite photos? Any verifiable video or photos (not the ones showing Russian armor near Smolensk far far away.) Forgive me for being skeptical about the intentions of the Biden-Kerry-Pelosi gangsters in the Ukraine...

Posted by StandAndFightSir 2021-12-09 02:13|| 2021-12-09 02:13|| Front Page Top

#4 Wrongfooted again.

We Are Led By a Corrupt and Dessicated Moron

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-09 02:19|| 2021-12-09 02:19|| Front Page Top

#5 Goodness, not just Chinese stooges, but Putin boot-lickers.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2021-12-09 07:11|| 2021-12-09 07:11|| Front Page Top

#6 Goodness, not just Chinese stooges, but Putin boot-lickers.

What a weird way to engage on the subject matter.

Posted by badanov 2021-12-09 09:13|| 2021-12-09 09:13|| Front Page Top

#7 Here's the right way to engage: Ask yourselves what our vital interest is in Ukraine. Try in good faith to answer that question honestly -- and you'll see that, in reality, we have none. It's ludicrous to uphold the Monroe Doctrube while denying Russia the right to its own sphere of interest in a territory bordering Russia, where Russian is spoken, where the US has no conceivable interest at all, and which has for over 1,000 years been central to the consciousness of Russians as a distinct people.

You're deluded if you think we ought to stir up a hornet's nest in a corrupt and worthless shithole like Ukraine. Even the potential argument that somehow we need a presence on the Black Sea falls flat: we already have allies all over the western and southern sides of the Black Sea! Why on earth do we need to encroach and expand NATO even further than we've already done?

This is more madness from an administration that has gone berserk.

Presided over by a shit-for-brains mendacious hair-sniffing corrupt clown.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-09 09:24|| 2021-12-09 09:24|| Front Page Top

#8 The people running things need these messes. It's impossible to vote in people who don't want to feed the beast. You have to kill the beast.

If you can.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-12-09 09:27|| 2021-12-09 09:27|| Front Page Top

#9 Rob, Putin gave 100% backing for twenty years to the communists destroying the country my Dad was retired to in the 90's while the local prototype for Antifa turned it into a tribute kingdom for China and these guys think he's the big he-man alpha christian orthodox guy.

[i]It's ludicrous to uphold the Monroe Doctrube...[/i]

You mean the one y'all commie-lovers have been failing to uphold for the last two and a half decades, never mind Cuba, Nicaragua, China owning the Panama Canal...

I wonder if you and Hunter both cash your Russian checks at the same bank.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-09 09:53|| 2021-12-09 09:53|| Front Page Top

#10 The lines have been drawn. Russian Chief of General Staff General Valery Gerasimov has stated Russia will intervene should Ukraine chose to settle the Donbass issue using military force.

All Ukraine has to do to avoid a conflict with Russia is not fire on Russian troops. And since they are not on the border within range of Ukrainian artillery, the issue will go no further.

It appears Russia learned some lessons from the 2008 War for South Ossetia is to not put troops within range.

Posted by badanov 2021-12-09 10:06|| 2021-12-09 10:06|| Front Page Top

#11 Tragic scenario potentially unfolding. Infinitely more tragic if we become involved.

Posted by Besoeker 2021-12-09 10:08|| 2021-12-09 10:08|| Front Page Top

#12 We did uphold the Monroe Doctrine, in '62 -- when Kennedy implicitly recognized a reciprocal Russian (then-Soviet) sphere of interest, by withdrawing the Jupiter missiles from our own ally in Russia's backyard.

All we had to do wrt Ukraine was live up to our promises made to Gorbachev and Yeltsin that we would not expand NATO. In contrast to Kennedy and his five successors, under Bush Pete and Clinton we decided to break our promises, throw away reciprocity, press our advantage and humiliate the Russians by expanding NATO everywhere possible.

Then Nuland and that fool Soetoro got it into their heads that Ukraine, the most corrupt country north of Nigeria, needed to be brought into both the EU and NATO!

So of course the Russians are loaded for bear, as it were. Any Russian leader would resist these serial attempts to humiliate his nation in his backyard. Has nothing to do with Putin.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-09 10:14|| 2021-12-09 10:14|| Front Page Top

#13 We do a great job here of standing around with our pants around our ankles at our own border. We have no business telling others how to manage theirs.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-12-09 10:17|| 2021-12-09 10:17|| Front Page Top

#14 /\ And THAT will preach !

Posted by Besoeker 2021-12-09 10:18|| 2021-12-09 10:18|| Front Page Top

#15 Agree there, M.
Btw - Let's bury the hatchet on our other gig, k?
Peace [on Earth, Goodwill toward Rantburgers]
Yours,
M.F.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-09 10:21|| 2021-12-09 10:21|| Front Page Top

#16 I have enough enemies. I don't need any more. You are a good guy, Merrick. We basically agree on everything that matters. I just left the idealism out with the trash some time back. I'm one of the guys in the Vinegar Tasters woodcut. I'm one of the smilers. The vinegar is supposed to be bitter. Something would be wrong if it wasn't.

I do want a better future for your kids. Merry Christmas!

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-12-09 10:28|| 2021-12-09 10:28|| Front Page Top

#17 /\ When you get to my age you suddenly discover you no longer have enemies, they've all died off.

Posted by Besoeker 2021-12-09 10:32|| 2021-12-09 10:32|| Front Page Top

#18 We should forgive our enemies. Right after they are taken out back and shot...

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-12-09 10:34|| 2021-12-09 10:34|| Front Page Top

#19 "A man can't be too careful in his choice of enemies"
- Oscar the Great

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-09 10:39|| 2021-12-09 10:39|| Front Page Top

#20 The 1998 agreement between Russia and Ukraine that removed nuclear weapons from Ukraine in delivered them through United States for DMIL is the agreement that right now is being breached.

The treaty was meant and designed to protect Ukraine once they no longer had nuclear weapons as they were afraid Russia would invade if they gave up their nuclear weapons.

they gave up their nuclear weapons and russia invaded anyway.

Posted by newc 2021-12-09 13:20|| 2021-12-09 13:20|| Front Page Top

23:03 Unavimp Chusogum4170
22:51 Unavimp Chusogum4170
22:23 Unavimp Chusogum4170
22:14 Unavimp Chusogum4170
22:01 Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589
21:57 Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589
21:46 trailing wife
21:44 Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589
21:23 Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589
20:32 Mullah Richard
19:41 Slappy
19:12 Procopius2k
19:05 M. Murcek
19:02 Frank G
18:40 M. Murcek
18:35 M. Murcek
18:31 M. Murcek
18:23 CrazyFool
18:08 swksvolFF
17:41 Lord Garth
17:37 trailing wife
17:28 SteveS
16:59 Rob Crawford
16:50 SteveS