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2021-12-01 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Brits do not want to fight Russia for Eastern Ukraine

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Posted by badanov 2021-12-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 No one in his right mind "wants to fight Russia for eastern Ukraine."

There is nothing, zero, in the way of vital national interest at stake in these piss-poor little bailiwicks for us or any other nation outside of Russia.

No vital resources, no Sea Lanes of Communication, no treaty obligations. Not even anything in the way of cultural, linguistic or ethno-historical ties. NOTHING.

It is none of our f--king business.

Yet another mind-boggling example of our elites' unbelievable stupidity -- of their total inability to grasp the concepts of national interest and national priorities.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-01 00:42|| 2021-12-01 00:42|| Front Page Top

#2 It's another posturing diversion.
"Hey, look over there, it's a squirrel!"

Posted by Skidmark 2021-12-01 10:48|| 2021-12-01 10:48|| Front Page Top

#3 Is Moose and Squirrel, badanov!

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-01 11:16|| 2021-12-01 11:16|| Front Page Top

#4 Half the people in the foreign service here (and all the ones that tried to trip Trump up) have invested their entire careers in Ukraine and similar places we have no interests in.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-12-01 11:18|| 2021-12-01 11:18|| Front Page Top

#5 yup and Britain didn't want to fight over the Sudetenland, either.

Posted by Mercutio 2021-12-01 12:09|| 2021-12-01 12:09|| Front Page Top

#6 Pay no attention when the Chinese invade Taiwan.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2021-12-01 13:20|| 2021-12-01 13:20|| Front Page Top

#7 But then what will you do for chips?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2021-12-01 13:21|| 2021-12-01 13:21|| Front Page Top

#8 yup and Britain didn't want to fight over the Sudetenland, either.

Russian historians say that Great Britain's mutual defense pact with Poland delayed Hitler's invasion for 24 hours.

Posted by badanov 2021-12-01 14:19|| 2021-12-01 14:19|| Front Page Top

#9 #7 But then what will you do for chips?

Victoria Nuland says that western Ukraine has some of the most fertile potato fields on the planet. And Nuland eats a LOT of chips.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-01 14:38|| 2021-12-01 14:38|| Front Page Top

#10 Yes dear, I'll put another dozen million or so people on the auction block to sell to Vladimir Putin and we'll have world peace. Neato.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-01 16:27|| 2021-12-01 16:27|| Front Page Top

#11 Not our circus, not our monkeys.

Posted by Bubba Lover of the Faeries8843 2021-12-01 18:30|| 2021-12-01 18:30|| Front Page Top

#12 Russian historians say that Great Britain's mutual defense pact with Poland delayed Hitler's invasion for 24 hours.

Given that Poland was invaded by both Russia and Germany simultaneously... Ultimately, the Russians are responsible for WWII. It was only fitting that they endured the largest losses from that conflict. What was truly unfortunate is that the two countries did not both lose. The certainty that one would win and potentially dominate the continent, was why Uncle Sam jumped in with both feet when Hitler made the stupid mistake of declaring war on the US.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2021-12-01 21:32|| 2021-12-01 21:32|| Front Page Top

#13 Not our circus, not our monkeys.

None of them are. The problem is that while you're not interested in Russia, Russia is interested in you. Ever since Novgorod had the bright idea of allying with the Mongols against the Teutonic Knights and its rival Slavic principalities, Russia's rulers have had this world-conquering ethos. While much of what they rule is frozen wasteland, Russia is almost 2x the size of the next 2 largest countries, combined. Russia doesn't *need* more land - it *wants* more land. That, in a nutshell, is the problem with Russia - its neighbors can never be safe from invasion. As Richard Pipes once wrote - the issue with the Soviet Union wasn't "Communism" - it was Russia's relentless appetite for new conquests.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2021-12-01 21:40|| 2021-12-01 21:40|| Front Page Top

#14 it was Russia's relentless appetite for new conquests.

Kinda like High School?

Posted by Skidmark 2021-12-01 22:14|| 2021-12-01 22:14|| Front Page Top

#15 Given that Poland was invaded by both Russia and Germany simultaneously... Ultimately, the Russians are responsible for WWII.

Russian historians say that Russia did not enter Poland until the Polish government left Poland, making Poland a no man's land.

Their contention is that their part of the invasion, 17 days later, wasn't technically an invasion.

Posted by badanov 2021-12-01 22:18|| 2021-12-01 22:18|| Front Page Top

#16 while you're not interested in Russia, Russia is interested in you

Wrong. The Russians couldn't give a f--k about Americans and their obsessions.

They basically want us to 1) end the sanctions, 2) stop intervening all over the world and 3) leave them alone.

This is even more true in the Age of Woke. Russian liberals no longer look up to or care about American opinion; they think Americans have gone mad.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2021-12-01 22:49|| 2021-12-01 22:49|| Front Page Top

#17 Russia doesn't *need* more land - it *wants* more land. That, in a nutshell, is the problem with Russia - its neighbors can never be safe from invasion.

Russia is compelled to have buffer territories around them. Then they abuse the buffer territories and are shocked when the locals don't show gratitude.

They basically want us to 1) end the sanctions, 2) stop intervening all over the world and 3) leave them alone.

The "sanctions" don't bother the average Russian. That's purely Putin and his kleptocracy.

They want us to "stop interventions" so they and their allies will look tougher. They're regional powers, and an active world power makes their limited reach obvious.

As for "leave them alone" -- Americans don't give a flying f*ck about Russians in Russia. It's Putin's warmongering and imperial intent that concerns us.

If they'd get a real government, no one would be more relieved than Americans. Hell, it would likely motivate us to get a real one of our own.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2021-12-01 23:34|| 2021-12-01 23:34|| Front Page Top

#18 Wrong. The Russians couldn't give a f--k about Americans and their obsessions.

They basically want us to 1) end the sanctions, 2) stop intervening all over the world and 3) leave them alone.

We give a damn about the Russians mainly because their single-minded obsession involves conquering the world. If they'd just stay within their borders, we wouldn't give a damn. Why can't they be like every other colonial power out there, and just let go already? Do you see the Germans, the French, the Brits, the Turks etc mooning over lost territories, even though unlike Russia, in their present state, they have no serious land buffer against invasion? I understand your attachment to the land of your forebears, but it would be good for you step outside their perspective once in a while.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2021-12-01 23:54|| 2021-12-01 23:54|| Front Page Top

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