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2005-12-26 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran Detains German and French Tourists
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Posted by Fred 2005-12-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 If Germany and France knows better, they should 'Tit for Tat' this one. Grab the first two Iranians on the street, wait for the swap request. And by the way, pull ALL your people out of Iran when you hear reports of Israelis returning home quietly and in mass this summer!!
Posted by smn 2005-12-26 04:06||   2005-12-26 04:06|| Front Page Top

#2 The background to this Iran has been occupying islands in the gulf over the last 20 years in a grab for sea territory thought to contain large amounts of oil/gas.
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2005-12-26 05:02|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2005-12-26 05:02|| Front Page Top

#3 Pawns to be used in the Blackmail of the phrench and hun's who the MM's know will do anything to prove their dhimmi status to the Iranian's. They want more German and French help with their A-bomb quest.
Posted by Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu 2005-12-26 06:39||   2005-12-26 06:39|| Front Page Top

#4 The body snatchers back at it again. Let's hope there is a quick and safe return for these individuals.
Posted by Captain America 2005-12-26 09:40||   2005-12-26 09:40|| Front Page Top

#5 sounds like a Mullah took a liking to their boat. Say bye to the boat, boyz
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-12-26 11:24||   2005-12-26 11:24|| Front Page Top

#6 If Germany and France knows better, they should 'Tit for Tat' this one. Grab the first two Iranians on the street, wait for the swap request

No, they shouldn't. Grabbing innocents and then using them as hostages is what terrorists and terrorist regimes do.

It's what *Russia* did when she imprisoned some innocent Qatari athletes as leverage to demand her agents returned from Yemen. And I'd rather die than see Western Europe devolve to the status of Russia or Iran.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 12:36||   2005-12-26 12:36|| Front Page Top

#7 Western Europe devolve to the status of Russia or Iran.

Would that really be devolution?
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2005-12-26 12:44||   2005-12-26 12:44|| Front Page Top

#8 And I'd rather die than see Western Europe devolve to the status of Russia or Iran.

Would you kill or is dying a better salve?
Posted by Leon Clavin 2005-12-26 12:51||   2005-12-26 12:51|| Front Page Top

#9 Western Europe devolve to the status of Russia or Iran. Would that really be devolution?

Hello, moral equivalency. Yes it *would* be a devolution, similar to America using the methods of Saddam Hussein. If you don't know that, then you are not worth speaking to.

And I'd rather die than see Western Europe devolve to the status of Russia or Iran.

Would you kill or is dying a better salve?

False dilemma. But if the real dilemmas is between killing *innocents* and dying, then yes, dying would be a thousand times better. This atheist-leaning agnostic that ain't expecting any afterlife heaven already knows it. The supposed Christians of this forum don't?
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 12:56||   2005-12-26 12:56|| Front Page Top

#10 AK, always changing things in mid stream. Who said anything about killing anybody? Tit for tat does not morally equalize killing and kidnapping as you do. It says kidnap a couple of Iranians and trade them for the frog n kraut. It's the only way to deal with bullies like the Iranians. Instead the uros want to be victims and make the Americans come over and rescue them yet again. I say we let them die this time as that is the clearly stated preference.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2005-12-26 13:09||   2005-12-26 13:09|| Front Page Top

#11 Who said anything about killing anybody?

Leon Clavin did, when he asked "Would you kill or is dying a better salve?" Your complaints to him.

Tit for tat does not morally equalize killing and kidnapping as you do. It says kidnap a couple of Iranians and trade them for the frog n krau

Yes, it indeed says kidnapping. And I say that kidnapping innocent civilians is what terrorist regimes do.

And btw, what in damnation's name makes you think that Iran even fucking cares about its civilians? Isn't the very *point* that fascist regimes don't care about their own people except as tools?

And quit it with the fucking ethnic slurs. "frog" and "krau" are as bad as "kike" or "nigger", and the only reason you can't see it is because America doesn't have large populations of "frogs" and "kraus" leaving inside your society: it's the kind of ideology where it doesn't matter if you insult non-voters.

Instead the uros want to be victims

Better to be victims than to be victimizers, you fascist wannabe. The moment that my government starts kidnapping civilians, no matter what nationality, will be the moment for true patriots to take to the hills and declare guerilla war against it. It'll be the moment that there'll be nothing left to lose, because we'll have lost it all already.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 13:23||   2005-12-26 13:23|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm afraid our "atheist-leaning agnostic that ain't expecting any afterlife" is in a very foul mood today. The family Hanukkah gathering must be taking a turn for the worse.
Posted by Darrell 2005-12-26 13:29||   2005-12-26 13:29|| Front Page Top

#13 To paraphrase Elmer Fudd I'm hunting fascists today. My mood is very very grim, but it's purposeful, and not bad at all.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 13:49||   2005-12-26 13:49|| Front Page Top

#14 Oooooh! I'll get that fascist if it's the wast thing I do!
Posted by Aris Fudd 2005-12-26 13:55||   2005-12-26 13:55|| Front Page Top

#15 hunting fascists huh? LOL!
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-12-26 14:01||   2005-12-26 14:01|| Front Page Top

#16 I'll ask you not to use my name, or even half ymy name, not even in such joke posts, because not everyone will be able to understand whether it's something that *I* posted as a joke on you, or something that you are posting as a joke on me. If you want to make your joke about "Aris Fudd" you should have done it like this:
"Oooooh! I'll get that fascist if it's the wast thing I do!
-Aris Fudd

Posted by [your real identity]"

The concept of "personal responsibility" that conservatives pretend to support makes me sign all my posts with my own name, even when most other participants of this forum fail to do likewise and cowardishly use multiple identities.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 14:01||   2005-12-26 14:01|| Front Page Top

#17 Damn Aris you okay? You see frantic, tunnel glimpse?
Posted by Leon Clavin 2005-12-26 14:04||   2005-12-26 14:04|| Front Page Top

#18 Apparently hunting fascists and a sense of humor are mutually exclusive.
Posted by Darrell 2005-12-26 14:05||   2005-12-26 14:05|| Front Page Top

#19 It's what *Russia* did when she imprisoned some innocent Qatari athletes as leverage to demand her agents returned from Yemen. And I'd rather die than see Western Europe devolve to the status of Russia or Iran.

You will. Words spoken by a member of a truly dieing people (Greeece: 1.33 births/woman). A population kept up by large immigration from moslem countries who will return Greece to the moslem crescent from Anatolia to Albania. Cowards who will see the day their barren women are sold in the markets of Istanbul and Riyadh. Good riddance.
Posted by ed 2005-12-26 14:22||   2005-12-26 14:22|| Front Page Top

#20 a hypersensitive self-esteem and low actual life productivity can lead to delusions of grandeur: "To the batcave, Robin Aris!"
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-12-26 14:28||   2005-12-26 14:28|| Front Page Top

#21 You laugh Frank, but I worry. It's my nature.
Posted by Leon Clavin 2005-12-26 14:30||   2005-12-26 14:30|| Front Page Top

#22 Ed, perhaps you have genocidal fascism as your idea of bravery, but allow me to differ.

You laugh Frank, but I worry. It's my nature.

And likewise it's my nature not to laugh but to worry over the expressions of fascistic ideology. Perhaps we're not that different after all, Leon.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 14:39||   2005-12-26 14:39|| Front Page Top

#23 More fascists under the bed. Somebody had a bad Christmas.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-12-26 15:30|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-12-26 15:30|| Front Page Top

#24 Yeah, it looks like the Grinch's pinch failed again. Too bad, so sad.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2005-12-26 15:38||   2005-12-26 15:38|| Front Page Top

#25 Somebody had a bad Christmas.

Actually my Christmas was one of my best ever. A bright movie, a happy evening out with friends. Thanks for caring, Robert.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 15:52||   2005-12-26 15:52|| Front Page Top

#26 What I find amazing is that Aris tosses around "fascist" on a whim, but carries a chip on his shoulder over a word that means "a person one dislikes or finds extremely disagreeable".

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-12-26 15:56|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-12-26 15:56|| Front Page Top

#27 Only a moron considers teh Straits of Hormuz an appropriate place for a fishing expedition. The place is full of smugglers. The Iranians probably did these clowns a favor.
Posted by Super Hose 2005-12-26 16:07||   2005-12-26 16:07|| Front Page Top

#28 Robert, no worries, I only bring up your usage of the word "cunt" whenever Frank pretends to be shocked, *shocked* at my usage of the word "fucking".

As regards my usage of the word "fascist" to describe the ideology recently supported by a poster here, wouldn't *you* consider as fascistic the practice of a government kidnapping innocent civilians?

What other word would you use to describe it? Because it sure as hell isn't the modus operandi of most democracies.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 16:20||   2005-12-26 16:20|| Front Page Top

#29 SH, I'm betting they weren't on vacation.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2005-12-26 16:24||   2005-12-26 16:24|| Front Page Top

#30 The problem is, Aris, you resort to "fascist" anytime someone suggests -- however lightly -- anything you dislike. Fascist has a specific meaning, Aris. Tossing it around as a synonym for "things I don't like" doesn't change that meaning. That habit of yours is one of the things I find particularly disagreeable -- along with its companion of claiming to know what's going on in the minds of others.

As for smn's suggestion, I'd say it's unwise and too broad. Germany and France should declare a whole raft of Iranian diplomats (assuming they have some) persona non grata, round up and expel any Iranian agents they've been trailing, and then freeze Iranian assets until two are freed.

Now, see, isn't that more likely to get a positive response than spitting out "fascist"?
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-12-26 16:33|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-12-26 16:33|| Front Page Top

#31 Robert, why escalate? Simply pick up two spies and swap. If you one up them, the mullahs have to then one up you and it becomes a game of chicken the uros won't play or win. Cause their sensitive, like AK.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2005-12-26 16:38||   2005-12-26 16:38|| Front Page Top

#32 isn't that more likely to get a positive response than spitting out "fascist"?

Double standard, Robert. If only many here would follow your example. Why should Aris be the sole target?
Posted by Rafael 2005-12-26 16:51||   2005-12-26 16:51|| Front Page Top

#33 The problem is, Aris, you resort to "fascist" anytime someone suggests -- however lightly -- anything you dislike.

No, Robert, I don't. I strongly dislike the death penalty, but I've never called fascists those who support it. I strongly dislike restricting marriage to hetero couples, but I've never called fascists those who believe it should remain such as long as the public opinion is with them. I strongly disliked the stupidity of launching the war on Iraq, but I've never called fascists those who supported said war for democratic principles. I dislike the naivety and unaware arbitrariness of the libertarian belief-system, but I've never called libertarians fascists.

I call fascists only those who echo very clearly the arguments of fascist ideology and seek to empower the state over the very fundamental individual liberties upon which Western democracies are based.

The people who would seek to make government unaccountable to the public.

The people who feel that "national emergencies" justify all and any abuse of power by the emperor-like president.

The people who believe in finding other people guilty by association, for reasons of ethnicity or creed.

The people who consider punishable traitors all those who dare criticize or condemn government policy.

The people who would destroy the presumption of innocence.

The people who would abolish the right to trial within a reasonable amount of time.

The people who would restore torture as a means of interrogation and extracting confessions.

Those people I unhesitatingly will indeed call fascists.

Tossing it around as a synonym for "things I don't like"

Good thing I've never done that.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 16:53||   2005-12-26 16:53|| Front Page Top

#34 "the emperor-like president"

if you don't like him, don't vote for him...oh wait, you couldn't, could you. It must be so hard to be the shining light in your small circle and to know you'll never be of consequence. Toodles
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-12-26 16:57||   2005-12-26 16:57|| Front Page Top

#35 The people who feel that "national emergencies" justify... pursuing terrorists and their allies, even if it means listening in on their conversations and doing unpleasant things to them.

The people who believe in finding other people guilty by association, for reasons of ethnicity or creed... bomb-making Islamo-fascists for example.

The people who consider punishable traitors all those who dare criticize or condemn government policy... by leaking classified information in violation of their oaths of office and/or civic responsibility.

The people who would destroy the presumption of innocence... for foreigners rounded up on the battlefield.

The people who would abolish the right to trial within a reasonable amount of time... for un-uniformed combatants who should have been killed on the battlefield.

The people who would restore torture as a means of interrogation and extracting confessions... from foreign un-uniformed combatants and self-declared terrorists who would terrorize civilians.
Posted by Darrell 2005-12-26 17:07||   2005-12-26 17:07|| Front Page Top

#36 How do you measure who is of consequence, Frank and who isn't? Each man is a universe and a point of intersecting universes. The prince who's nothing but an instrument of the reigning ideology of his time and his family connections, versus the poor man who's best achievement is being a good parent to his children -- who is of most "consequence"?

Such a *silly* concept to think of. I'd rather follow this: "Honour and shame on no condition rise... do well your part, there all your honour lies".

And if by "shining light in your small circle" you mean what you think I mean, you couldn't be more wrong. There's not one of my closest circle of friends who agrees with me in most of my political positions, and I rarely discuss them with them anyway (though they all know them, since I never keep them hidden either). There's a difference between a political forum and a circle of friends, Frank, and I hope you'll one day find out the difference too.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 17:10||   2005-12-26 17:10|| Front Page Top

#37 Sure, Darrell, keep on dreaming. There are official US reports of people that were tortured to death, innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever other than being Muslims. But keep on dreaming that they were all terrorists.

They are sweet dreams I'm sure.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 17:26||   2005-12-26 17:26|| Front Page Top

#38 Each man is a universe and a point of intersecting universes.

Well said, we are at the dawning of the Age of Aquarius!
Posted by Leon Clavin 2005-12-26 18:14||   2005-12-26 18:14|| Front Page Top

#39 Sorry, I don't believe in astrology. I was more inspired from the "If you save a man, you save the world entire" expression (from the Talmud I think). A passage from a later Hitchhiker's book may have also crept in there.
Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-12-26 18:21||   2005-12-26 18:21|| Front Page Top

#40 Well, to each his own. I don't believe in Doug Adams.
Posted by Leon Clavin 2005-12-26 18:25||   2005-12-26 18:25|| Front Page Top

#41 The world's last rennaisance troll.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2005-12-26 18:29||   2005-12-26 18:29|| Front Page Top

#42 Aris likes to talk about fascists since the Greeks are so good at fascist and communist coups. The only people, other than muslims, who are committing genocide are the Greeks. They are committing auto-genocide, replacing each generation at only 60%. Not even the Germans lost that many in WWII. You have to go back to the 30 Years War or the plagues to even approach that figure. 10 million -> 6 million -> 3.6 million -> dhimmis to Turks, then extinction. Though I don't think Greece as an independent nation will make it down to 3.6M, but will be taken over at 4.5-5M or by 2050. By a bit over 200 years of independence, the Greeks will have pissed it all away.

What a waste of a people with 3000 years of history, a people that should number many hundreds of millions, but who throw away any future as soon as they can. Pity the sacrifices of the Russians and others in the 1800's Balkans. I conclude Greeks just like being under the Turks.
Posted by ed 2005-12-26 18:46||   2005-12-26 18:46|| Front Page Top

#43 I feel a strong disturbance in the Wiki.
Posted by Leon Clavin 2005-12-26 18:57||   2005-12-26 18:57|| Front Page Top

#44 You're discounting the Greek diaspora, ed.
Posted by ||7 2005-12-26 18:58||   2005-12-26 18:58|| Front Page Top

#45 ed, LOL at the over-the-top bitterness of your rant. Anyway you must really *adore* Greece to show so much concern over her well-being.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 19:01||   2005-12-26 19:01|| Front Page Top

#46 The diaspora is offset by all those Turkish genes, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

I adore Greece as much as they deserve. You don't need to worry over my concern for Greece. The Turks will do that just fine. All hail Greece, a shitty, insignificant province of the Turkish Empire.
Posted by ed 2005-12-26 19:13||   2005-12-26 19:13|| Front Page Top

#47 What I don't understand is how you think your rabid words will affect me, ed? Other than once more confirm what I think of you, I mean.

As a sidenote, why are so many Rantburgers inordinately obsessed with the supposed "significance" and "consequence" of nations and people, as if big empires are by definition better than small villages? In bashing Canada, you'll usually attack it of being weak and insignificant compared to USA, in bashing me Frank called me "of no consequence", in attacking Greece you call it "of no significance"...

This seems connected with the whole macho psycho-obsession penis thing where bigger=better. Should perhaps give it some thought, ed. :P

And I do wish you occasionally showed some more interest on nation's qualities instead. If you did that, our systems of values might have some common point of reference upon which we could launch a discussion.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 20:12||   2005-12-26 20:12|| Front Page Top

#48 There you go bringing up your penchant for pederasty again. It's all about your pecker isn't it Greek boy?

When you put show some consideration for the US, I will consider showing you some consideration. Instead you begin by comparing the US to Russia, Iran, and Saddam Hussein. Well, up yours, you clueless asshole. Instead, it seems Greeks and Russians have much in common. You both do nothing when large numbers of children and women are slaughtered by muslims.
Posted by ed 2005-12-26 20:27||   2005-12-26 20:27|| Front Page Top

#49 You're right: "no consequence" was too much. "Pissant" I like better. nite
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-12-26 20:30||   2005-12-26 20:30|| Front Page Top

#50 Instead you begin by comparing the US to Russia, Iran, and Saddam Hussein.

No, my darling ed. Read again the first posts of the thread. I said that what smn suggested would be to have *Western Europe* devolve to the point of Russia or Iran. United States weren't mentioned at all up there.

Then some funny guy said "Would that really be a devolution", and I said that *yes* it would be a devolution, same way that it would be a devolution to have the United States use the methods of Saddam Hussein.

So, in short, ed, my darling and utterly illiterate moron, I put *Western Europe* and the United States on the same comparable level, and I placed Russia, Iran and Saddam Hussein on the opposite much lower level.

But I understand that illiteracy is a very big problem in the United States, so I can't really blame you personally for reading my posts 180 degrees reversed. It must be the public education's fault I guess.

Business as usual for the Rantburg Illiterates. But it would have really saved time, ed, to have you complain about what actually angered you about my post, instead of babble on and on about Greece and birth rates instead. Then I could have straightened you out much sooner. Perhaps they ain't teaching you your letters, but ain't they teaching you some directness in your approaches atleast?

Cheerio.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 20:44||   2005-12-26 20:44|| Front Page Top

#51 Aris,
Comprende?
Posted by Red Dog 2005-12-26 20:47||   2005-12-26 20:47|| Front Page Top

#52 Red dog, that image appears as a black square to me. If there's a clever pun involved, I fail to catch it. Apologies.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 20:50||   2005-12-26 20:50|| Front Page Top

#53 "...why are so many Rantburgers inordinately obsessed with the supposed 'significance' and 'consequence' of nations and people..."

I dunno, Aris. I guess the Italians and the Germans weren't significant to Greece in WWII, so your folks didn't learn anything from that experience. I guess you Greeks can shrug it off after being conquered so many times. You apparently don't recall any problems with those Nazi "people", so I'm sure you'll get along splendidly with the Islamo-fascists. We'll try not to be so obsessed with nations and people when your time comes again. A mosque on the Acropolis is going to clash a bit, but I'm sure they'll get that old stuff cleared off in time. Ever done any rock breaking?
Posted by Darrell 2005-12-26 21:00||   2005-12-26 21:00|| Front Page Top

#54 
I call fascists only those who echo very clearly the arguments of fascist ideology and seek to empower the state over the very fundamental individual liberties upon which Western democracies are based.

The people who would seek to make government unaccountable to the public.

The people who feel that "national emergencies" justify all and any abuse of power by the emperor-like president.

The people who believe in finding other people guilty by association, for reasons of ethnicity or creed.

The people who consider punishable traitors all those who dare criticize or condemn government policy.

The people who would destroy the presumption of innocence.

The people who would abolish the right to trial within a reasonable amount of time.

The people who would restore torture as a means of interrogation and extracting confessions.

Those people I unhesitatingly will indeed call fascists.


No, you use the accusation "fascist" as a way of making a straw-man argument of all of the above and attributing it to your opponent-du-jour and then accusing them of illiteracy if they don't like it. Or equating defensiveness with some sort of confirmation.
Posted by Phil 2005-12-26 21:15||   2005-12-26 21:15|| Front Page Top

#55 Aris, you are a weasel.

Hello, moral equivalency. Yes it *would* be a devolution, similar to America using the methods of Saddam Hussein. If you don't know that, then you are not worth speaking to.

Read your words again, you less than mediocre scholar. I know Greek universities have a less than stellar reputation, but I did not know far they had fallen for them to accept the likes of you. That explains why the job market is so crappy for the inadequately educated likes of you.

Your whole schtick here is to sbring down the US. You keep trying, in post after post, to lift yourself by dragging down the US. Your whole Rantburg persona is comparing the US to the moslem countries, Russia, China, Nazis, the worst of the lot. If you try to lift yourself by bringing Americans down, then don't be surprised if a hand reaches out and slaps you back into the muck you came from. You keep talking about America as a fascist nation, but the nations source of dictatoriships, fascism, communism, socialism is Europe and your land has been at the forefront of it all.

The difference is I stand by my words. Greece is dieing and it is you and your countrymen's fault. No one else.
Posted by ed 2005-12-26 21:16||   2005-12-26 21:16|| Front Page Top

#56 No, you use the accusation "fascist" as a way of making a straw-man argument of all of the above and attributing it to your opponent-du-jour and then accusing them of illiteracy if they don't like it. Or equating defensiveness with some sort of confirmation.

Phil, I'm the man here who's been more willing to stand behind his words than anyone else. I'm also the man who's been more willing to answer plain questions posed him. In contrast and comparison, I note that not anyone has yet had the guts to plainly answer the question I plainly posed many posts previously: "Is not having the government kidnapping innocent people the tactic of fascist regimes?"

I guess the Italians and the Germans weren't significant to Greece in WWII, so your folks didn't learn anything from that experience.

Well, for starters, Darrell, unlike the people here who are absolutely *wowed* by significance, and don't seem to think there's anything worse than being insignificant, most Greeks still believe that Italy and Germany played a *negative* role in WWII. Thusly "significance" and moral quality: *orthogonal*. Better to be an insignificant nobody than a significant bad guy. You should know that by now and stop using "insignificant" as an insult against Greece. I've myself used much worse terms to attack Greece in this very forum, so your insults are puny in comparison indeed.

Secondly, dudes, over here in Greece we have a proverb that loosely translates "He who has the guilt always feels accused." When I'm accusing America, I assure you I'm being very clear about it. In this thread however I was likewise very clear in saying that it would be a *devolution* to have the United States use the methods of Saddam Hussein, just like I said it would be a devolution to have Western Europe use the methods of Russia and Iran.

And lastly, ed, your illiteracy remain. Read the dictionary definition of "devolution" for starters, and then we can try to resume.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 21:37||   2005-12-26 21:37|| Front Page Top

#57 And as a sidenote, since I've myself repeatedly said that Greece is worse than the United States, I'm not exactly getting what it is that all y'all are trying to achieve by repeating that Greece is worse than the United States.

Well, d'uh. Insulting my country for insulting yours, when I've already insulted my own country worse than I've insulted yours, doesn't that seem to you a bit ludicrous?
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 21:41||   2005-12-26 21:41|| Front Page Top

#58 Aris, you could easily have said, "Yes it *would* be a devolution to use the methods of Saddam Hussein.". But no, you had to drag America into your little moral superiority play. Folks in Peoria no longer buy tickets to that. Make your point concisely and people will respond to that. If you gratuitously drag the US into it, then expect to be insulted in response.

Insults aside, what are you doing to improve Greece and stop the death slide of your country? If it were Greeks seized, instead of a German and Frenchman, or if a Greek school massacre is perpetrated by muslims, what would Greece do about it?
Posted by ed 2005-12-26 21:57||   2005-12-26 21:57|| Front Page Top

#59 ed, gee it's not as if anyone haha so funnily commented that it wouldn't be a devolution to have Western Europe become like Iran.

It's really nice how you strained to find an insult against America where one was not meant, but don't bat an eye at the very clear and explicit insult against Western Europe.

Insults aside, what are you doing to improve Greece and stop the death slide of your country?

Since your basic description of the "death slide" is the birth deficit, I suppose I should be going and having unsafe sex with as many women as possible.

If it were Greeks seized, instead of a German and Frenchman, or if a Greek school massacre is perpetrated by muslims, what would Greece do about it?

Unlike the countries of the deep West, Greece is in the Russian pocket and thus on the philo-Iranian axis, so you aren't likely to see that happening any time soon, any more than you are likely to see Venezuelans seized or Zimbabweans massacred. It'd be all hugs and kisses, and the Greeks seized would be sent home with gifts of Iranian-Greek friendship.

Now you understand what I mean by saying that I insult my own country much more than I insult yours?
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 22:07||   2005-12-26 22:07|| Front Page Top

#60 And with that note, I bid you all a goodnight. It's already past 5 am over here, and though I am on leave, I still need to wake up relatively early tomorrow. Bye-bye for now.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2005-12-26 22:10||   2005-12-26 22:10|| Front Page Top

#61 bye Aris - you kiss my brown eye.
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-12-26 22:19||   2005-12-26 22:19|| Front Page Top

#62 Aris, if you are referring to Europe then do so. Do not substitute America in your when you mean to refer to Europe.

Make light of it if you want, but Greece is danger if being swallowed into a New Turkic Empire. As the muslim influence increases, you can see increasing intimidation, murder and massacres happening in your Eruopean neighborhood, let alone in African muslim-christian-animist borderlands. Your incredibly low birthrate, short sighted socialist policies, covetous muslim neighbors, and strained relations with your non-muslim neighbors will ensure no one comes to your aid. The falling population is the key to continued independence or absorption of Greece.
Posted by ed 2005-12-26 22:30||   2005-12-26 22:30|| Front Page Top

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