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2003-12-26 India-Pakistan

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Posted by Paul Moloney 2003-12-26 1:14:08 AM|| || Front Page|| [11141 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 more and more Pakistanis would have found their way into the toils of global terrorism

The fight against wahhabism/islamofascism will be long, it will be bitter at times, and in the end we may not even win. That should never, ever stop us from taking this course and fighting this fight. I hate to sound melodramatic, but we have been burdened with as much of a world war as our fathers and grandfathers faced in the 40s.

Are we up to the task?

Posted by 4thInfVet 2003-12-26 1:35:08 AM|| 2003-12-26 1:35:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 4thInfVet - for a while I wondered whether we would win or not. Now I am quite convinced we will. The reason is simple. The arab world is fed and gets all its technology from the West. If they start to seriously harm our capacity to run our societies then the result will be that they start to starve surrounded by stuff that doesnt work anymore.

Now if we can only a way to stop all those oil revenues flowing into arab pockets. The arab world will just become another third world basket case.

Posted by phil_b 2003-12-26 2:18:56 AM|| 2003-12-26 2:18:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 phil_b: You're not talking about "stuff" like big turbines, are you? I'm reminded of WWII, Pacific. Oil-thirsty Japanese sweeping through the East Indies, very pleased until Royal Dutch Shell engineers torched the refineries at the last minute.

Posted by Glenn (not Reynolds) 2003-12-26 4:06:47 AM|| 2003-12-26 4:06:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 4thInfVet - yes we are up to the task.

We may well 'lose' some countries from the 'Core' to the 'Gap' (see this article http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets/ThePentagonsNewMap.htm for much more information on this concept that some in the Pentagon are taking seriously) - most people who read this blog can take a guess at what those countries may be. However, there are other countries that are moving into the 'Core' at the same time as we lose others.

My personal feeling is that it will take another attack along the lines of 9/11 before the majority of people realise what it is we are up against. In effect. In fact, it would be 'better' if that attack was not on the US as then other countries would realise what the situation is. (I feel a horrible feeling in my stomach just writing these words)

There are many ways that this war could end, see The Belmont Club for instance. But it will end, and the 'Core' countries (however they may be defined) will be victorious.

The only question in my mind is whether that old joke about why aren't there any Arabs in 'Star Trek' remains a joke - or becomes a fact.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2003-12-26 8:41:11 AM|| 2003-12-26 8:41:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Very cool link T(UK)

Some favorite quotes

In sum, it is always possible to fall off this bandwagon called globalization. And when you do, bloodshed will follow.

And

If you are lucky, so will American troops

Ranks and files of Luckies!

The problem with the Core countries is PC-ism. Some of the Core countries need to grow up.

Posted by Lucky 2003-12-26 12:46:41 PM|| 2003-12-26 12:46:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I don't buy the Disconnectedness defines danger thesis. Excluding infectious diseases a poor peasant in burundi or where ever is zero threat to me becuase he doesn't have access to money and technology needed to impact my life. The problem with islamoterror is they do have access to money and hence technology. Its like greenies not seeing the paradox of flying to conferences to worry about global warming. The Islamoterrorists don't see that if they start to win the cellphones, lancruisers, antibiotics and lamb chops will stop coming. Allah may be all powerful and all knowing, but he don't know sh** about keeping a Lancruiser running.

I've worked in 3rd world communities totally dependent on food, healthcare and technology from outside. They all want things but they have no clue how they are made or where they come from. Cut the arabs off from the money they will sit around in the sand watching people die and wondering why nothing works any more. Or they will modernize the old-fashioned way through education and hard work. They will have to figure out how to make things other people want.

The oil is the problem! The only way out of the god gave them the oil so they don't have to modernize mindset they have is to either stop buying the oil (not an option in the foreseable future) or take it away from them.

Posted by phil_b 2003-12-26 3:06:56 PM|| 2003-12-26 3:06:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 phil_b, that's an interesting comment. We're really into 'cargo cult' land here to an extent.

The figures show that if you exclude oil revenues, the Arab world is in trouble;

"The GDP of all Arab countries combined ($531.2 billion) is less than that of Spain ($595.5 billion)"

http://www.undp.org/rbas/ahdr/ahdr1/presskit1/PR2.pdf (PDF)

Now then, .com - what was it about a certain 40k strip of land on the eastern side of SA?

Posted by Tony (UK) 2003-12-26 4:27:13 PM|| 2003-12-26 4:27:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Tony - I cut a comment about 'cargo cult' out of the post, but it is very cargo cult like. Their thinking goes some like - we got the oil cos we are good muslims. All religions are prone to this thinking.

Its sheer bad luck that most of the worlds oil is under moslem countries.

Posted by phil_b 2003-12-26 6:28:40 PM|| 2003-12-26 6:28:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 It is Cargo Cultish. Perhaps we need to remind the priests that John Fromm drives an Ohio now.

Posted by Shipman 2003-12-26 8:45:22 PM|| 2003-12-26 8:45:22 PM|| Front Page Top

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