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2008-12-18 Home Front: Culture Wars
Clint Calls Us 'Generation Pussy'
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Posted by ed 2008-12-18 07:47|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ]  Top

#1 Full interview here.
Posted by ed 2008-12-18 08:20||   2008-12-18 08:20|| Front Page Top

#2 I want some!
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-12-18 08:26||   2008-12-18 08:26|| Front Page Top

#3 I was surprised this made it through Fred's naughty filter.
Posted by ed 2008-12-18 08:28||   2008-12-18 08:28|| Front Page Top

#4 He's right.
Posted by NCMike 2008-12-18 08:35||   2008-12-18 08:35|| Front Page Top

#5 Nobody got blasé about Pearl Harbor."

Well, that's because the MSM of the time didn't work for the victory of the enemy. Read the books Army at Dawn and Day of Battle, there were enough screw ups and failures to drown any administration by today's standards of intolerance and hate that consumes the MSM. That was when journalism was a trade and not a papered profession. A lot of the culture's pussification can be directly tied to academia and its monopoly in certify competency granted to it by lazy and ineffective personnel shops.
Posted by P2k on holiday 2008-12-18 08:56||   2008-12-18 08:56|| Front Page Top

#6 P2k: Don't believe it. The MSM has never supported America, unless they had a government knife at their throat, or thought they did.
Posted by Anonymoose 2008-12-18 09:24||   2008-12-18 09:24|| Front Page Top

#7 spot on Clint. An American treasure he is, he will be sorely missed when he's gone.
Posted by Andy Ulusoque aka Broadhead6 2008-12-18 09:45||   2008-12-18 09:45|| Front Page Top

#8 You can thank the baby boomers for the current mess.
Posted by DarthVader 2008-12-18 09:55||   2008-12-18 09:55|| Front Page Top

#9 P2K is right: I've also read both books, and Rick Atkinson, the WaPo reporter who wrote the books, has a tone of amazement and disbelief throughout. For each situation, the narrative is something like this: "the Americans screw up planning, the Brits bungle logistics, the two fail to coordinate, the general staffs plot intrigue at the expense of the situation, incompetent officers put their men into terrible positions ... ... ... then the Germans get hammered and are forced to retreat."


And Mr. Atkinson never figures out why.
Posted by Steve White 2008-12-18 10:38||   2008-12-18 10:38|| Front Page Top

#10 He's right. And for some reason that's who the 'people' have chosen to run our country for the last 20 years.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-12-18 11:13||   2008-12-18 11:13|| Front Page Top

#11 You can thank the baby boomers for the current mess.

I've joined in Boomer bashing with the best, but in this case the current mess is not their doing, it's that of FDR and his generation. The system they put in place has run to its logical conclusion and is breaking down. A new design has to be put in place.

This seems to happen with a reasonable regularity, the Depression/WWII of 1940, the Civil War of 1860, the Revolution/Constitution of 1780 King Philip's War, the Glorious Revolution and the Salem Witch Trials in 1690 and the Pilgrims in 1620.

Every 80 years, the length of a human life, we seem to need to reconnect our social framework to deal with new challenges. And it lasts until it finally falls about a life time later. We are in one of those transitions and the future of America depends on how well we do the work before us.

So you can thank whomever you wish for the current mess, but the Boomers are no more deserving than anyone else. And the Boomers will be the key to the solution.

By the time this is over, I suspect they will be the ones to pay big time for the abrogation of the promises of Medicare and Social Security, which they will accept as the price for seeing the country's future assured. Pussies? They will be the first generation to see wide spread poverty since, oh, the 1940's. And they will do it for the future. Or the American experiment will end.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-12-18 11:14||   2008-12-18 11:14|| Front Page Top

#12 I'd have to say that it is a baby-boomer redux going on right now. For every screwball neohippy out there, there is a person who does get it. It is just that the neohippy gets the face time via msm and yawn stewart. The major difference is that with the veterans from Vietnam were able to see it all happening again and put a stop to it; ie Gathering of Eagles, Patriot Guards, and many other fine organizations who without we would have seen the widespread acceptance of spitting on troops normal. There is a good core of kids out there who are exceptional; that is nobody notices the kids helping mom at the grocery store but everyone knows about the one kid who throws a fit in the candy aisle. I have a serious disagreement with the baby boomers - but the ones who are completely selfish and without structure, there are the baby boomers who did volunteer to fight during Vietnam and there are the boomers who have ushered in the greatest technological advancements since the steam engine. Unfortunately its the first set which gets all the attention.

And as for Mr. Atkinson, I have to admit I liked his first two books of the liberation trilogy but I also have the benifit of Ambrose and VDH in my background for a couple examples. The Shaaras and Atkinson are in the same category for me in that if that is all you have read then you are not getting the complete story. Army at Dawn got into some detail that I have not read in any other North Africa books, and I did have to put Day of Battle down a couple times because it was depressing to read but again covered Sicily/Italy details like no other book I had read. It was then that I had to sit back and remember via Ambrose/VDH that in spite of everything it was the soldier who carried on and pressed victory in spite of the difficulties.

If I were to suggest a reading list for someone who knows nothing about Torch/N. Africa (and this is where Mr. Eastwood is right) Carnage and Culture (at least last 1/3), Citizen Soldier, (watch first part of Patton), Rising Tide, Army at Dawn.

*using authors accessable to the average reader (Atkinson can be argued as to this point, the abridged audio gets the point across just fine).
Posted by swksvolFF 2008-12-18 11:15||   2008-12-18 11:15|| Front Page Top

#13 I've liked and admired that man ever since his Rowdy Yates days. Still do.
Posted by Woozle Elmeter 2700 2008-12-18 11:19||   2008-12-18 11:19|| Front Page Top

#14 I'd always thought the Journalists mostly supported the US during WW2 because we were fighting alongside their hero Stalin.
Posted by rjschwarz 2008-12-18 11:23||   2008-12-18 11:23|| Front Page Top

#15 If Clint wants to go a long way towards clearing this situation up, he could go on Oprah and beat the hell out of her.
Posted by tu3031 2008-12-18 11:25||   2008-12-18 11:25|| Front Page Top

#16 Anybody here seen Gran Torino? If so, what did you think of it? The trailer looked good.
Posted by Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-12-18 12:11||   2008-12-18 12:11|| Front Page Top

#17 Clint started out as a macho man. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is one of my all time favorite movies. Harry Callahan was a great character too. But some of the movies he's made lately are pretty darn wussified. Bridges of Madison County was pathetic. It wasn't romantic. It was squalid and pathetic. Then there was Mysty River where he hired Milk star Sean Penn. How can I forgive him for that? Clint is a part of the MSM that led us astray, or at least tried to lead us astray and is still trying, just like so many Pied Pipers. Clint is a part of the problem.

Boomers are a product of our time and the time was heavily influenced by the likes of Franklin Roosevelt who, as far as I'm concerned, damn near ruined this country.

The other day I was criticized for whining about the boomer bashing of Victor Davis Hanson. Maybe I got a little strident, or even whiny if you will. But I didn't have to read very far into Hanson's article to determine that he is a moron. Each generation faces its own unique challenges and it's just silly to say one generation was the greatest ever but the next was rotten. Sorry, I didn't have to contend with the Great Depression or WWII so we'll never know how I would have responded to those situations. I try to do the best I can with what I have and that's all any of us can do.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2008-12-18 12:24||   2008-12-18 12:24|| Front Page Top

#18 I wouldn't go so far as to call VDH a moron, but he does get outside his expertise as historian. In C&C epilogue he writes how he does not want to do a chapter concerning the 9/11 attacks and predictions yet puts out opinions about current situations. The other month he put out a deal about his 10 rants, one was, "don't become a farmer" even though he spends many pages in his books that farmers were the core of civic responsibility for the Greeks. Even those we respect we must still remain critical thinkers of, else we become blind followers.

And with Eastwood, there have been headscratchers like Midnight in the Garden but also defends his flick Flags against spoke lee and rightfully so.
Posted by swksvolFF 2008-12-18 13:10||   2008-12-18 13:10|| Front Page Top

#19 Sorry, I didn't have to contend with the Great Depression or WWII so we'll never know how I would have responded to those situations.

That's okay, you'll get a chance to make up for it in the coming Depression and next Global conflagration. See you on the front lines.
Posted by Spike Glirt2414 2008-12-18 13:26||   2008-12-18 13:26|| Front Page Top

#20 You might be right, Spike. Hope you're not.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2008-12-18 13:34||   2008-12-18 13:34|| Front Page Top

#21 Did he have a cigar clenched in his teeth?
Posted by Caesar Omung5273 2008-12-18 21:39||   2008-12-18 21:39|| Front Page Top

#22 Clint is a part of the MSM that led us astray, or at least tried to lead us astray and is still trying, just like so many Pied Pipers. Clint is a part of the problem.

Crock of crap if I may say so. Two words: William Munny
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-12-18 22:14||   2008-12-18 22:14|| Front Page Top

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