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2005-12-06 Fifth Column
Illegal trip protests Guantanamo prison
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Posted by tu3031 2005-12-06 09:21|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Some wit should start a strong rumor in the Miami Cuban community that several of them are CIA agents, bringing secret weapons to assassinate Castro with. They are very high tech, and almost invisible.

They have hidden these secret weapons in their luggage and up their persons. And if they can get even a single one of them through...

Let's see how far these birds could march after two dozen deep rectal inspections.
Posted by Anonymoose 2005-12-06 10:09||   2005-12-06 10:09|| Front Page Top

#2 ..they will demand to see the detainees.

Haaahahahahahaaahahahahaa, as if.

These people are not likely to be in any position to make demands.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-06 10:47||   2005-12-06 10:47|| Front Page Top

#3 "The early Christians knew you couldn't be Christian and serve in the military," she said. "You had to make a choice. Jesus was talking about loving your enemies." The early Christians knew nothing of the sort. Jesus said, "He who hath not a sword let him sell his cloak and buy one". He knew full well there are times when one must resort to violence.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2005-12-06 11:40||   2005-12-06 11:40|| Front Page Top

#4 DB - I've never heard that one. Got a reference?

There is a simple solution - when they return deport them back to Cuba which they love so damn much. Give their citizenship to some cuban refugee who manages to convert a 57 chevy into a boat - at least they would appreciate it.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-12-06 12:35||   2005-12-06 12:35|| Front Page Top

#5 There were plenty of opportunities for both John the Baptist and Jesus and Paul to comment on military service and Christianity, and they consistently failed to say anything negative about it.
Posted by Ptah">Ptah  2005-12-06 12:35|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2005-12-06 12:35|| Front Page Top

#6  Baltimore activists will join others in march through Cuba to U.S. base. More than two dozen activists from Baltimore and elsewhere have arrived in Cuba to protest the U.S. detention-and-interrogation operation at Guantanamo Bay. The activists, most of them Christian, have broken U.S. law by traveling to the communist nation.

The model of civil disobedience, the Dr. Martin Luther King, accepted the time in jail when he knowingly broke the law. While he objected to the law, he did not seek to undermine the very nature of law. Watch these miscreants try to get out of the penalty phase of their sojourn.

Depending on what book you use. Luke 2 - Some soldiers also asked him [John the Baptist], “What about us? What are we to do?”
He said to them. “Don’t take money from anyone by force or accuse anyone falsely. Be content with your pay.”

Don’t see where he instructed them not to be soldiers.

Luke 7 - When Jesus had finished saying all these things to the people, he went to Capernaum. A Roman officer there had a servant who was very dear to him: the man was sick and about to die. When the officer heard about Jesus, he sent to him some Jewish elders to ask him to come and heal his servant. They came to Jesus and begged him earnestly. “This man really deserves your help. He loves our people and he himself built a synagogue for us.
So Jesus went with them. He was not far from the house when the officer sent a friend to tell him, “Sir, don’t bother yourself. I do not deserve to have you come into my house, neither do I consider myself worthy to come to you in person. Just give the order and my servant will get well. I, too, am a man placed under the authority of superior officers, and I have some soldiers under me. I order this one, “Go!” and he goes; I order that one “Come!” and he comes; and I order my slave, “Do this!” and the does it.”
Jesus was surprised when he heard this; he turned around and said to the crowd following him, “I have never found such faith as this, I tell you, not even in Israel!”
The messengers went back to the officer’s home and found his servant well.

If you understand the historical context of the Roman occupation of Judea, that Jesus did not admonish the officer for his career as a soldier, a foreigner or a gentile, and that he praises the officer’s faith, can only be construed in the positive. You have to twist your thinking really tight to ignore all that.

Posted by Whaigum Jating4863 2005-12-06 13:11||   2005-12-06 13:11|| Front Page Top

#7 Will Castro even bother to clean up the place so they don't see anything bad or will he just trust they have on such solid blinders that they wouldn't say anything that might detract from their mission.

These people are really sad and I think they should be at least seriously delayed upon their return to the US.
Posted by rjschwarz 2005-12-06 14:20||   2005-12-06 14:20|| Front Page Top

#8 Got Cuban entry/exit stamps in your US passport? Say hello to Mr. Fine, he'll be with you momentarily. Then you go over to the desk marked "Passport Revocations"...
Posted by mojo">mojo  2005-12-06 14:33||   2005-12-06 14:33|| Front Page Top

#9 Very good comments, WJ4863. I was about to use the same scripture. Jesus talked with/confronted numerous soldiers during His ministry, and never did he degrade/admonish them for what they did.
Posted by BA 2005-12-06 14:48||   2005-12-06 14:48|| Front Page Top

#10 "The early Christians knew you couldn't be Christian and serve in the military," she said. "You had to make a choice. Jesus was talking about loving your enemies."

DB and WJ beat me to it with their comments, but I'd like to expand upon this issue (and fallacy of this kind of so-called Christian thinking) a bit further.

We see in the Bible many instances wherein God Himself is said to have His own army and His own hosts of armed and capable warrior angels. At one point Adam & Eve were driven from the Garden of Eden and an armed warrior angel with a fiery sword was posted to guard against their return.

Jesus Christ was not above the use of physical violence when He thought it necessary - as the moneylenders at the temple learned to their dismay.

Jesus repeatedly instructed His followers to respect authority, to pay their taxes, and to guard their persons against violence upon them. He instructed His Disciples and those who were going forth to spread His teachings to carry a sword with them in order that they could defend themselves.

The myth that Christians must constantly turn the other cheek and disavow themselves from defending their persons or property purportedly arises from the early centuries of Christian martyrdom by the Romans. When faced by being tortured to death or eaten by wild animals or killed in the most horrible of fashions many martyrs are reported to have met their fates on their knees and in prayer. We don;t hear about those who met their fates standing up and fighting back.

So, this myth of Christian meekness has arisen through the centuries. Christians aren't supposed to take up weapons. Christians aren't supposed to defend themselves of their property.

But Christ never said that nor did He teach that nor did his Disciples and followers.

Leftist, liberal, purportedly Christian revisionists teach this just as they teach a multitude of other heresies.
Posted by LC FOTSGreg">LC FOTSGreg  2005-12-06 14:57||   2005-12-06 14:57|| Front Page Top

#11 Or in other words, it says When someone strikes you, you turn the other cheek (personally).

It does NOT say When someone strikes your wife, kid or even country, you turn the other cheek.
Posted by BA 2005-12-06 15:48||   2005-12-06 15:48|| Front Page Top

#12 The clearest words Jesus spoke about government versus God was "Give unto Ceaser that which is Ceaser's, and unto God that which is God's". He understood that service to Ceaser could be worthwhile, even honorable, but that in all things, our souls belonged to God, not Ceaser. I've been through this before. That's why I served as one of God's warriors.

Go through the Bible and find how many places it refers to shepherds. This isn't just accidental. What God is saying is that there must be shepherds to watch over those who are weak - shepherds who are willing to kill lions and wolves, to protect against the thief as well as the storm.

These people are frauds, whether they are willing to admit it to themselves or not.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2005-12-06 15:53|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2005-12-06 15:53|| Front Page Top

#13 CrazyFool, Luke 22:36
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2005-12-06 16:12||   2005-12-06 16:12|| Front Page Top

#14 2321 The prohibition of murder does not abrogate the right to render an unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. Legitimate defense is a grave duty for whoever is responsible for the lives of others or the common good. - Catechism of the Catholic Church
Posted by Rafael 2005-12-06 16:41||   2005-12-06 16:41|| Front Page Top

#15 Mojo it's not all that difficult to go to Cuba legally, church based groups do it frequently. And um you can also um, go by boat, the Cuban authorities don't necessarily stamp your passport if you look like an outstanding (safe and with dough) tourist.
Posted by Shipman 2005-12-06 16:50||   2005-12-06 16:50|| Front Page Top

#16 and the Cuban prostitutes consider it professional courtesy not to rat out these "clergy and supporters" for any activities
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-12-06 17:13||   2005-12-06 17:13|| Front Page Top

#17 :>

Boats only for day trips tho, don't check in.
Posted by Shipman 2005-12-06 18:43||   2005-12-06 18:43|| Front Page Top

#18 The left is embracing Christianity. As I am in the process of looking for a new church, it is surprising to me how many of the big name Protestant churches seem to have sermons that link spirituality and banning the boyscouts, or the promised land and the plight of the Palestinians.

They have discovered that the CHURCH it to be a perfect place to collect money, preach and lead the sheep to get votes. It's not the first time that this has been done. Throughout history this has been done.

I don't know how I feel about this, I can't help but to think that in the end, God is having a good laugh at the liberals who think that they are brining the sheep into the Christian pews to become their wards. For some reason, it reminds me of the parable - if you teach a man to fish.
Posted by 2b 2005-12-06 18:53||   2005-12-06 18:53|| Front Page Top

#19 Perhaps this one, 2b? I'm not sure where they're physically located... but I might be interested, myself...
Posted by .com 2005-12-06 19:01||   2005-12-06 19:01|| Front Page Top

#20 At Guantanamo Bay, the activists plan to confront one of the U.S. military's most sensitive installations during a time of war.

Authorize the Marines to shoot them full of holes as soon as they touch the wire.
Posted by Besoeker 2005-12-06 19:01||   2005-12-06 19:01|| Front Page Top

#21 Thanks DB. Wasn't disbuting you - just didn't remember seeing it.

Great Comments!

I think its often the case for the authorites in countries like Cuba (and N. Korea) to staple a seperate piece of paper into your passport and then stamp that - that way you can easily 'remove' it after you leave.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-12-06 19:30||   2005-12-06 19:30|| Front Page Top

#22 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Luke 22:35-37
Posted by Shieldwolf 2005-12-06 21:25||   2005-12-06 21:25|| Front Page Top

#23 John 2:15 for the whip incident
Matthew 22:19-21 for the Caesar’s comment
Luke 7:1-10 about the Roman officer’s servant
Posted by Shieldwolf 2005-12-06 21:38||   2005-12-06 21:38|| Front Page Top

#24 "kick Islamofascist ass"

My own personal Jesus 1:10
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-12-06 21:47||   2005-12-06 21:47|| Front Page Top

#25 "kick Islamofascist ass"

Frank, that is also Verse 7734 of Imam Al-Aska Paul's Big Book of Quotable Quotes and Holy Sayings™, available on Amazoon.con
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2005-12-06 23:34||   2005-12-06 23:34|| Front Page Top

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