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2020-11-28 -Land of the Free

Trump said Twitter Has Become a National Security Threat

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Posted by Clem 2020-11-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 And Twitter thinks Trump is a national security threat; guess who wins.

Posted by Glenmore 2020-11-28 09:56|| 2020-11-28 09:56|| Front Page Top

#2 Twitter is a private company. You use it at their discretion, not yours.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 10:47|| 2020-11-28 10:47|| Front Page Top

#3 Twitter is a private company.

You mean, a private media company that dominates information flow in the public square. AKA a publisher with all the Fairness Doctrine and do no harm obligations of same.

You use it at their discretion, not yours.

Wrong again. They use you and your scribblings to sell advertising.

They're the publisher, hiding behind that outdated, foolish, bullshit legislation (Section 230) that pretends otherwise.

Twitter Google and Facebook have done more harm to our democracy than 10,000 Russian trolls or spies ever could.

Posted by Voldemort Big Foot3460 2020-11-28 11:01|| 2020-11-28 11:01|| Front Page Top

#4 Trump is the last person to complain about Twitter.

Read their terms and conditions. Btw only the government can "censor" people. You have no "right" to be published on a platform, somebody else owns.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 11:23|| 2020-11-28 11:23|| Front Page Top

#5 "Platform" LOL

Enough with the techno-bullshit words already. They're a publisher. They need to abide by the Fairness Doctrine like any other publisher. That Doctrine outlaws the policing of political opinion by publishers and broadcasters.

Posted by Gleager Schwarzeneggar9395 2020-11-28 11:26|| 2020-11-28 11:26|| Front Page Top

#6 Well, there was once a time Fox was "fair and balanced".

Posted by Clem 2020-11-28 11:32|| 2020-11-28 11:32|| Front Page Top

#7 To #5 GS's point: we've just seen real news censorship swing a presidential election. Not jus Sh#tter but the entire news media imposed a blackout in the story of the year: the wholesale purchase of the Biden family by the Chinese military's private equity front organization.

Sh#tter and the others were censors in every sense of the word. They also completely eliminated any and all mentione of the Biden business partners' violations of US sanctions on Russia, plus Hunter's money laundering for Russian government-aligned billionaire criminals.

And then they allowed Biden to lie shamelessly about it, ignoring eyewitness testimony to the contrary and a sworn affidavit from the Bidens' own business partner whom they selected to run their JV with the CCP's stooges.

I don't know which part of Europe this kind of blackout and censorship exists in, but it's not consistent with American definitions of "conservative" behavior. It's fascistic.

Posted by Punky the Fragrant6643 2020-11-28 11:56|| 2020-11-28 11:56|| Front Page Top

#8 Twitter is a private company. You use it at their discretion, not yours.

They are a publicly traded company, as such there are rules related to fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders.

They have liability protections as a carrier under section 230. These protections preclude them acting as a publisher, which is what they are doing.

They do not enforce their usage terms equally across the board. This is also a violation of section 230.

You would be well advised to mind your own business and refrain from commenting on things you know little about.

Posted by Spanter Speaking for Boskone3320 2020-11-28 12:01|| 2020-11-28 12:01|| Front Page Top

#9 Do we start going after the networks as well? Should Chevy Chase and NBC been stifled 45 years ago for his Chase's Gerald Ford antics? Not censorship, but a blatant one-sided attempt to influence under the guise of humor.

Posted by Clem 2020-11-28 12:04|| 2020-11-28 12:04|| Front Page Top

#10 "You would be well advised to mind your own business and refrain from commenting on things you know little about."

Given the topic of this thread, this is quite a statement.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 13:36|| 2020-11-28 13:36|| Front Page Top

#11 You would be well advised to mind your own business and refrain from commenting on things you know little about.

If everyone did that, the entire Interwebs would go dark.

Posted by SteveS 2020-11-28 13:53|| 2020-11-28 13:53|| Front Page Top

#12 Curiously, the phone company is also a private company, and they're not allowed to deny service to people based on politics.

Restaurants? Private companies -- not allowed to arbitrarily deny service.

Their Terms of Service doesn't matter -- you cannot enter a contract to violate the law.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2020-11-28 14:06|| 2020-11-28 14:06|| Front Page Top

#13 The phone company doesn't publish your calls.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 15:15|| 2020-11-28 15:15|| Front Page Top

#14 p-p-publish, you say?

Posted by Glung Tholurong2562 2020-11-28 15:20|| 2020-11-28 15:20|| Front Page Top

#15 if you're a Hungarian or a Pole I'll give that you could be a conservative, otherwise not so much

Posted by 746 2020-11-28 15:22|| 2020-11-28 15:22|| Front Page Top

#16 If you post something, it's published, just like it is here.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 15:26|| 2020-11-28 15:26|| Front Page Top

#17 #15

Bavarian. Senior member of a conservative party.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 15:28|| 2020-11-28 15:28|| Front Page Top

#18 So did your country's entire newsmedia impose a complete blackout on any mention of Gerhard Schroeder's controversial dealings with Merrill Lynch and with Russian business entities?

If not, then what makes you think we should tolerate such media censorship here? Because Trump?

Also per #8 Spanter's point: maybe you should spend a bit of time reading up on Section 230

Posted by Pearl Ulogum6289 2020-11-28 15:39|| 2020-11-28 15:39|| Front Page Top

#19 You're speaking out of ignorance of American rules/responsibilities. The IT Techs can be idea-neutral or face discrimination suits for discriminating using American "airwaves". Can't have it both ways

Posted by Frank G 2020-11-28 15:40|| 2020-11-28 15:40|| Front Page Top

#20 ^ To EC

Posted by Frank G 2020-11-28 15:41|| 2020-11-28 15:41|| Front Page Top

#21 "If not, then what makes you think we should tolerate such media censorship here?"

So how did you learn about all this?

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 15:46|| 2020-11-28 15:46|| Front Page Top

#22 He's probably referring to Tucker Carlson and a few writers at the New York Post, who together reach an audience amounting to about 2% of eligible US voters. The rest of the media didn't even bother to refute the volumes of evidence presented.

It's safe to say that most US voters were shielded from any knowledge of Biden's lies corruption and obvious unfitness for the presidency.

17% of of early Biden voters polled have recently stated that has they known about Biden's corruption, they would have shifted their vote to his opponent.

Had this story been reported fairly, professionally and honestly Trump would have been easily re-elected.

Posted by Squinty Wholuse1325 2020-11-28 16:05|| 2020-11-28 16:05|| Front Page Top

#23 I believe you are all rather missing the point. Twitter is part of The State because The State isn't simply the government in it's various forms. Rather, The State exists at the intersection of where government, media (including social media), academia (including rioting graduate students), and big business's (including Hollywood) interests meet. Where those powerful groups align in common purpose, you will find The State acting in full force.

We are all living inside of that space whether we like it or not. One has to take the clear pill, rise above it, and see if for what it is to get a full picture. Because of The State, Twitter and the government aren't separate competing entities. They are one.

Posted by Secret Master 2020-11-28 16:18|| 2020-11-28 16:18|| Front Page Top

#24 If I could learn about the whole thing, any U.S. voter could, too.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 16:23|| 2020-11-28 16:23|| Front Page Top

#25 ^ Don't think you have. I "follow" German politics as reported. No idea if it's accurate, in-depth, and un-biased. I suspect "No" on all three

Posted by Frank G 2020-11-28 16:59|| 2020-11-28 16:59|| Front Page Top

#26 /\ Chuckle. Some have. Others have not. My lovely wife of 49 years hates the Donald so much, she believes every word she reads on social media and the dead tree media and ABC news. She reads a lot, just not a lot of variety.

Give yourself a little credit, EC - you seem like a fairly bright guy!

Posted by Bobby 2020-11-28 17:03|| 2020-11-28 17:03|| Front Page Top

#27 How does this - Facebook Rigged Algorithm to Favor Pro-Biden Over Pro-Trump Media - fit into the above discussion?

Posted by Bobby 2020-11-28 17:08|| 2020-11-28 17:08|| Front Page Top

#28 So an small business (a "private company") can be sued/taken to court because the owners refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

That the Silicon Valley slime can "discriminate" at will and without any ramifications because they are "private companies" is o.k. how?

Posted by Clem 2020-11-28 18:04|| 2020-11-28 18:04|| Front Page Top

#29 The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a Colorado baker who refused to bake a cake to celebrate the marriage of a same sex couple because of a religious objection.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 18:21|| 2020-11-28 18:21|| Front Page Top

#30 Good. I couldn't remember if the baker won his case. That is correct and proper. And if the Silicon Valley slime are private entities, is much as one might dislike it, it is proper and their call to delete what they want.

Posted by Clem 2020-11-28 18:33|| 2020-11-28 18:33|| Front Page Top

#31 EC - your baker didn't provide domestic/international service. Just local. At som point, you should quit trying to argue finer points of American law/jurisprudence. I would do the same for Germanic law/politics.

It's embarrassing

Posted by Frank G 2020-11-28 18:53|| 2020-11-28 18:53|| Front Page Top

#32 You are the second person in his thread who tells me to shut up. The irony seems to be lost on you.

Posted by European Conservative 2020-11-28 19:00|| 2020-11-28 19:00|| Front Page Top

#33 Declare Twitter and Facebook 'Infrastructure' like the old Telco's used to be and strictly regulate them...
That'll fix em.

Posted by CrazyFool 2020-11-28 19:47|| 2020-11-28 19:47|| Front Page Top

#34 Not "shut up", more like "you're embarrassing yourself". I respect your opinion globally, but you have no clue locally on American laws/ethics/mores. I wouldn't even try to do the same on local German institutions. Humility - learn some

Posted by Frank G 2020-11-28 19:52|| 2020-11-28 19:52|| Front Page Top

#35 Most of those on the internet, including Facebook, Instagram and YouTube are low information users by choice. They go to catch up on the doings of their friends and relations on Facebook, of their favourite celebrities on Instagram, and music and How-To videos on YouTube. They get their news from the local newspaper and television station, and actively avoid being exposed to more than that because they simply don’t care — and they don’t want to have to argue with those of us on both sides who do care. And because they are competent and trustworthy in their work and areas of expertise, they do not question that those providing theses websites and reporting their news are also trustworthy.

Nor is this in any way a matter of intelligence or education. Back before the internet was used for much more than email, a dear friend of mine, with a BA in journalism and an MBA, who had been the marketing VP for the largest hospital complex in Los Angeles before settling down with husband and child to fill her spare time by masterfully running all the local charities that appealed to her, once explained to me that she never read the front section of the newspaper because there was nothing in it that she could impact. I was shocked — I generally avoid everything beyond the front section because anything I need to know about local events I’ll hear from my local friends, so I needn’t bother, whereas news about national and international events will inform me whether I need to worry about Mr. Wife as his work takes him through it all.

But low information users are easily led to chosen conclusions by sites which curate what information they are exposed to, as workers at Facebook, et al have been caught admitting to doing — a fact we high information users are aware of, but which the others have been protected from knowing. And so millions of high information users have indeed been migrating away from those controllers to sites that offer similar services without that curation, leaving a billion or so Facebook users like Mrs. Bobby who do not know that they have been manipulated.

Project Veritas has a collection of undercover videos from various popular sites boasting of how they manipulate their users and control those who would think and speak beyond their bounds. Go to https://www.projectveritas.com/ and scroll down, European Conservative.

Posted by trailing wife 2020-11-28 21:36|| 2020-11-28 21:36|| Front Page Top

#36 Very few adult voters with full time jobs fit the high information voter profile. Most people don't have time for it, and therefore rely on filters of one kind or another.

Those filters used to be the 3 national broadcast networks and the local newspaper which in turn took its cues from the 3 national newspapers NYT WaPo and WSJ.

Their influence over the definition of what's newsworthy and credible, while diminished somewhat, is still formidable. They remain gatekeepers of information for at least 60% of voters. If they decide to relegate a story to the memory hall, the most of the voters will never hear about it.

This is absolutely what happened with the story of Biden's sellouts to the CCbillionaire mafia wife of the Moscow ex-mayor / Kazakhstan

Posted by Angusorong Borgia8532 2020-11-28 21:53|| 2020-11-28 21:53|| Front Page Top

#37 #35 - there was a time - 5 or 10 year ago, when Mrs. Bobby's husband proposed marriage to Trailing Wife [chuckle] which she politely declined.

But she is a very smart cookie, and I love her! Thanks, TW!

Posted by Bobby 2020-11-28 23:31|| 2020-11-28 23:31|| Front Page Top

#38 #32 - EC - bitte, hier stehen. Kommen Sie zuzammen zuruck. Haben Sie mich verstunden? (A little crude, I imagine - 1966 high school) This is a great thread, with differing points of view, none of which are mutually exclusive, all of which are interesting and have merit. That's why I love the 'Burg!

Posted by Bobby 2020-11-28 23:46|| 2020-11-28 23:46|| Front Page Top

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