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2008-11-30 India-Pakistan

We were trained by Pak navy: Captured terrorist

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Posted by john frum 2008-11-30 10:19|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 The ISI is a cancer. Our CIA must go "direct action" and start killing these roaches. In large numbers.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-11-30 10:54|| 2008-11-30 10:54|| Front Page Top

#2 Easier said than done, OS. Most of the ISI is in Pakistain, and our CIA doesn't have the penetration (as far as I know, and they don't talk to me) in that country that would allow us to hunt the ISI.

Posted by Steve White 2008-11-30 11:10|| 2008-11-30 11:10|| Front Page Top

#3 well, we should be making a list, so when President Obama orders the invasion...

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-11-30 11:48|| 2008-11-30 11:48|| Front Page Top

#4 Ima thinking the Indians have a list.

Posted by Spot">Spot 2008-11-30 12:19|| 2008-11-30 12:19|| Front Page Top

#5 Penetration not needed. Carbombs are.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-11-30 12:32|| 2008-11-30 12:32|| Front Page Top

#6 This isn't ISI if it is Dawood Ibrahim's gang. He might have paid for some training by ISI but ISI wouldn't have planned this.

Ibrahim is the same guy that did the bombings in 1993. He is Indian and he has a terrorist organization that includes both Hindus and Muslims. Now the early killings of the primary anti-terrorist officials in Mumbai makes sense.

This was a terrorist operation with an embedded hit squad.

His organization is based in Mumbai and he lives in Karachi. Read the Wikipedia entry on this guy.

He is believed to be provided protection by ISI but that would be mainly because he is a thorn in India's side. He may just have become a major thorn in the side of Pakistan.

This attack makes no sense as an ISI operation but it makes perfect sense as a D-Company (his Mumbai gang) operation.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-11-30 12:46|| 2008-11-30 12:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Dawood and the ISI have been collaborating for decades.

The timers used in the 1993 Bombay blasts were of US military origin from stocks provided to the Pakistani army. The ISI provided these to Dawood Ibrahim and D company.

The ATS officials got killed because they rushed to the scene in the same car and did not expect trained gunmen.

The ISI has been seeking an outrage that would force India to issue threats and thus allow the Pak army to redeploy away from the Afghan border.

Posted by john frum 2008-11-30 13:10|| 2008-11-30 13:10|| Front Page Top

#8 I do not doubt that ISI has been supporting / protecting "Dagwood" for years as any enemy of India would be a friend to ISI in some way or another. But this time I believe they went too far. If ISI approved this plan then it speaks of desperation. It would be an "all or nothing" gambit.

This operation would have been counter to any long range plans of the ISI unless they simply don't have a long range strategy at this point and are lashing out in a "last gasp" which I don't believe to be the case.

In other words, I believe "Dagwood" used the ISI more than the ISI used "Dagwood". In any case, it is now time to reach out and touch that bastard and to strongly encourage Pakistan to consider a different primary export. Their current export of murder is not sustainable.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-11-30 13:55|| 2008-11-30 13:55|| Front Page Top

#9 Maybe someone could enlighten us as to what a gangster like "Dagwood" has to gain from this. Seems to me it'd be bad for business as far as he's concerned. Maybe it's not so much him using the ISI as it is ISI using him. I liked the theory someone posted yesterday about AQ wanting to get the Pak army redeployed away from Afghanistan back to the Indian border, even though I still don't believe India is ready to invade Pakistan. Paks are just paranoid enough to believe they might. But if the Pak army redeploys, that area is opened up for US special ops and AQ certainly doesn't want that. Maybe that's what ISI wants, to get rid of a thorn in their side. Involvement of the Pak navy is interesting but it could be Azam is to the point of saying anything he thinks will get the interrogators to stop. Anything he says would have to be carefully corroborated. Rogue elements of the Pak navy? So many possibilities...

Posted by Abu Uluque 2008-11-30 15:13|| 2008-11-30 15:13|| Front Page Top

#10 If the Pak army withdraws, the Pakiban take over everything. That means a safe haven inside cities, towns and villages. It means that US/NATO supply lines through Pakistan are cut. No amount of special ops will be able to clear out the nest if a third of Pak territory is taken over.

Posted by john frum 2008-11-30 15:18|| 2008-11-30 15:18|| Front Page Top

#11 This whole Mumbai incident proves to me that the Civil Govt has no control over the military/ISI.Hardliners dont want peace with India for whatever reason????
ISI fund our enemies in afghan and terrorist groups like Le T attacking India.I think their paranoia of US/India breaking up Pakistan keeps the extremist in a job!!!!!

Posted by Paul2 2008-11-30 15:45|| 2008-11-30 15:45|| Front Page Top

#12 The Pakinukes need to be taken care of one way or another...

Posted by 3dc 2008-11-30 16:35|| 2008-11-30 16:35|| Front Page Top

#13 Wel-l-l, do we say "Yuh, oh", aka ZOMG, now or later???

ION FREEREPUBLIC > PAKISTAN'S ARMY BRACES FOR INDIAN ASSAULT, in consequence of Mumbai incident.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-11-30 17:38|| 2008-11-30 17:38|| Front Page Top

#14 We can use bombardent to ruin the bridge and road infrastructure in the western part of the country - cut off the pakiban from the army units that just headed off east - then reduce the western region via crop destruction, water source and electricity production destruction. Round this off with the introduction of cholera, plague, hemoragic fevers and a few other genetically altered pathogens. Call me evil all you want-but these people have been telling us over and over that conventional means won't deter them. I say it's time to cull the herd - and hard!

Posted by Rob06">Rob06 2008-11-30 20:27|| 2008-11-30 20:27|| Front Page Top

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