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2004-11-17 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-11-17 9:35:55 AM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Article: "I am not a jihadist, I am just a normal Muslim but such scenes are pushing me to Jihad," said one engineer in the tranquil Gulf emirate of Dubai, who gave his name as Abdallah.

Then in the name of Allah, go. Today, not tomorrow.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-11-17 9:54:03 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2004-11-17 9:54:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 gosh, let me guess...YEP..written by Rude-errors.

So much noise and so little news.

Posted by 2b 2004-11-17 9:55:43 AM|| 2004-11-17 9:55:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I got ya beat, Abdallah. I'm not even a Christian, but such scenes as I see coming out of the arab world are pushing me to Crusade.

Posted by BH 2004-11-17 10:02:07 AM|| 2004-11-17 10:02:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 BH...lol!

Posted by 2b 2004-11-17 10:29:46 AM|| 2004-11-17 10:29:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 âMore widely, the bloodshed in Falluja, including the alleged shooting dead of an unarmed and wounded guerrilla in a mosque by a U.S. Marine has provoked dismay among many in Iraq and the Arab worldâ

Some have called for the ending of the embedding of reporters because of this incident. I disagree. This incident is being played up as the worst abuse in the battle. What do we have? An Iraqi âinsurgentâ dedicated to the death of US soldiers is killed in a tense battle situation.

Without the embedded reporter footage, the Arab ânews reportersâ would be showing films of women and children maimed by US bombs or killed by US snipers. Their Arab audience would not know that the footage did not come from Fallujah or was staged. As it is, some Arabs are going to hate the US no matter what. This footage will only add to what they already believe. Others will see the professional US military in action, US military killing âinsurgentsâ, not women, children, or Iraqiâs living in peace.

In the US some anti-war people will see the footage a good propaganda for their cause. However for most Americans I believe it will generate sympathy for the extreme stress under which our soldiers live and more disdain for MSM reporting.

Posted by Anonymous5032 2004-11-17 10:39:41 AM|| 2004-11-17 10:39:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 When these holdouts are located, grind 'em into dust. These are the worst of the lot, and would present a challenge in the rehabilitation department that isn't likely to be worth the money or effort spent.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-17 10:47:43 AM|| 2004-11-17 10:47:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Anon5032, I'd argue that the worst abuse was those soldiers who made two guys jump into a river. One (both?) died. At first when this story broke, thanks to an Iraqi blogger, I didn't believe it. Nor did many others. But, it turned out to be true. Thank God there was no footage of that incident.

Posted by growler 2004-11-17 11:18:17 AM|| 2004-11-17 11:18:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Growler: âI'd argue that the worst abuse was those soldiers who made two guys jump into a river.â

I read some of the Iraqi bloggers so I followed the âdenialâ, âdoubtâ, and final âapologyâ stages of that incident. I was impressed that the Iraqi blogger did not turn against the US. I also doubt the US soldiers would have been discovered and punished without blogger pressure.

I have sympathy for the soldiers involved in that incident. The young Iraqi men were out late after curfew. I suspect the soldiers believed they were out planting bombs and decided to scare them. I doubt they intended that the boy drown. Bad judgment and bad behavior that led to an innocent death and justified punishment for the soldiers.

Would footage have made the incident worse? If there had been an embedded reporter, I donât believe it would have happened. If a witness caught it on tape, it might depend on the events shown. If the soldiers were shown acting like callous thugs who harassed and then deliberately murdered a young Iraqi then it would play badly in Iraq and in the US. But if that is what happened then I believe the truth should be shown and reviled. If US soldiers were behaving badly we should know it since such behavior will make re-building Iraq much harder. (I donât believe that it should be made into a media circus, as the MSM is wont to do. The MSM promoting ânewsâ to garner ratings is a problem in our society.)

Posted by Anonymous5032 2004-11-17 12:50:27 PM|| 2004-11-17 12:50:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Suggestion:

Remember the Great Chicago Loop Flood?

The jihadist are hiding in tunnels all through Fallajuha.

A big river flows right by.

Time for a short underground flood...

Posted by 3dc 2004-11-17 4:02:44 PM|| 2004-11-17 4:02:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 left some 1,600 rebels dead in the rubble of the urban battlefield

I love victory! It smells like dead jihadi!

Posted by me me Shipman 2004-11-17 5:22:24 PM|| 2004-11-17 5:22:24 PM|| Front Page Top

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