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2022-11-16 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

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Posted by badanov 2022-11-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11125 views ] Top

#1 My question from yesterday stands. If those were Ukrainian SAMs, what was their target? And if they are shooting north from Lviv, where must this target have come from?

Posted by European Conservative 2022-11-16 06:28|| 2022-11-16 06:28|| Front Page Top

#2 Might have been a Belorussian use
Of Russian equipment

Posted by Lord garth 2022-11-16 07:55|| 2022-11-16 07:55|| Front Page Top

#3 NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg: The fact that the missile exploded in Poland results almost directly from Russia's attack on Ukraine, and the more we will support and strengthen Ukraine in its natural right to self-defense. Russia must finally stop this war

Posted by DarthVader 2022-11-16 08:04|| 2022-11-16 08:04|| Front Page Top

#4 where must this target have come from?

Russia has fired missiles from south central Belarus before, but the geometry looks wrong for anything to be traveling near the border with Przewodów, unless they were fired from a southwest area (military base at Ivanava, Belarus?) towards Lviv and the Ukr air defenses were firing NNW from there. Przewodów border area is almost directly north of Lviv.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2022-11-16 08:07|| 2022-11-16 08:07|| Front Page Top

#5 Missile Lands in Przewodow, Poland-Suchomimus

Geolocation and debris analysis.

Posted by DarthVader 2022-11-16 08:35|| 2022-11-16 08:35|| Front Page Top

#6 The presidents of Poland and the US have said there is no evidence that the S-300 missiles were launched by Russian. Given the size of the attack (some 100 missiles) I am guessing NATO had air assets, AWACS or satellite, watching the show. I further suspect they have radar tracks of everything that went on near Poland.

EC's question is a good one. The attack was carried out against power grid infrastructure by long-range aviation. This means the missiles could have been coming from any direction except the West. If the air-defense was launched off-axis to the incoming and missed, they could have come down anywhere.

A cui bono question that comes to mind is: If the Russians are short on missiles, are they going to expend a couple blowing up a grain dryer in Poland knowing that will trigger NATO's Article 5? I'm betting no.

Posted by SteveS 2022-11-16 09:07|| 2022-11-16 09:07|| Front Page Top

#7 "This business is going to get out of control. It'll get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."

- Adm. Josh Painter

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-11-16 09:11|| 2022-11-16 09:11|| Front Page Top

#8 are they going to expend a couple blowing up a grain dryer in Poland knowing that will trigger NATO's Article 5? I'm betting no.

I'm in agreement. Even if the missile was Russian, it would have been an accident. While the propaganda tools shreak that they are at war with NATO to deflect from Russia's failings, the last thing Putie-pie wants is a real shooting war with NATO. Ukraine using a spattering of NATO weapons has stopped and pushed the Russians back. Full NATO ground action will destroy the military in Ukraine.

Posted by DarthVader 2022-11-16 09:23|| 2022-11-16 09:23|| Front Page Top

#9 Of course it was an accident.

The quality of the accident differs:

If a missile fired by Russia into Lviv ends up in Poland, it's an accident, but a reckless one.

If Ukraine shoots down (or misses) an incoming Russian missile close to the Polish border and debris ends up in Poland, it's simply a regrettable accident, but an accident that was provoked by reckless Russian action.

Posted by European Conservative 2022-11-16 09:53|| 2022-11-16 09:53|| Front Page Top

#10 If those were Ukrainian SAMs, what was their target?

Not a 777-200 or a IL-20.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-11-16 09:56|| 2022-11-16 09:56|| Front Page Top

#11

American company Texas Instruments, whose electronics were found in Russian missiles, is still helping Russia bombard Ukraine. VIDEO&PHOTOS Source: https://censor.net/en/p3375010

"The first casualty of war is truth."
~ Fifth century B.C., Greek dramatist Aeschylus

Posted by Besoeker 2022-11-16 10:03|| 2022-11-16 10:03|| Front Page Top

#12

Posted by DarthVader 2022-11-16 11:29|| 2022-11-16 11:29|| Front Page Top

#13 The Archduke Ferdinand is on life support.

Posted by Matt 2022-11-16 12:08|| 2022-11-16 12:08|| Front Page Top

#14 Wow, that was a close call. If that narrative would have stuck... Dangerous game.

Accidental Russian Missile lands in Poland - it's an attack, Russia is trying to kill Poles.

Accident Ukrainian Missile lands in Poland - opps, we almost started WW3, sorry guys.

Posted by mossomo 2022-11-16 12:51|| 2022-11-16 12:51|| Front Page Top

#15 But it was an accident.

Does not matter - An attack against a NATO country for whatever reason deserves a swift and sure response!

pssst...it was Ukraine.

Nevermind.

(for what it's worth, even noon radio hype man stated Ukraine weapon)

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-11-16 14:48|| 2022-11-16 14:48|| Front Page Top

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