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2004-11-13 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by (-Cobra-) 2004-11-13 3:49:52 AM|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 This morning's number was 1000 potted and 400 prisoners...

I wonder how many died during the inital bombardment. It's prolly more than I think, but less than I hope. Wonder if the final enemy bod ct will break 2500?

Wonder if the MSM will keep silent as usual when we finish sucessfully? :/

Wonder if someone with the ability to make it stick is going to call the MSM on it? :(

Posted by N Guard 2004-11-13 9:35:58 AM|| 2004-11-13 9:35:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The someone with the ability to make it stick is you. Stop watching and stop buying.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-13 9:49:50 AM|| 2004-11-13 9:49:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 No doubt the MSM will report on the americans being 'big meanies!' about this in not allowing obvious 'civilians' (meaning people not in uniform - armed or not) to escape.

I notice that they barely mentioned the hostage slaughter houses in Fallujah -- where innocent and defenseless civilians were brutally murdered in cold blood. (But they didn't have to have womens panties on their heads so who cares?).

But since it was Muslims who did it so its A-ok with Jennings, Blather, and the others.....

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-11-13 10:02:37 AM|| 2004-11-13 10:02:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The MSM is pissed since the U.S. mill doesn't really play the counting game anymore.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-11-13 10:16:35 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-11-13 10:16:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 If today's MSM had been around when Auschwitz was liberated the focus would have been on the terrible pyschological toll killing millions of Jews had ON THE GUARDS. And of course, we'd get in-depth analysis of the long term respiratory effects breathing all those human ashes had on those who lived NEAR Auschwitz. Ultimately it would be exposed that the Jews plotted all along to die en masse in the concentration camps just to fuck up the Germans.

And let's no forget the fun Michael Moore would have had showing fun-filled Ocktoberfest celebrations before we bombed Berlin...and then scenes of Berlin after the war. "Was this war JUST so we could sieze German beer stocks? Who IS Anhauser Busch? Let's connect the dots..."

Posted by Justrand 2004-11-13 10:43:15 AM|| 2004-11-13 10:43:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Mrs. Davis.....Right on.Some MSM already are losing market share.Hit them in the pocket book.

Posted by crazyhorse 2004-11-13 10:57:27 AM|| 2004-11-13 10:57:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 I've been thinking and saying for over a year that we should be doing a scaled-up version of this in all the main trouble spots in Sunni areas. We have the rosters/lists of intel, police, govt., and party operatives in all these areas, right? (or at least pretty good lists) Why the hell haven't we been preventively detaining, en masse, all of these people? Make it clear what we're doing and why, and what the end-game is -- and through the pressure and isolation we can bring to bear on males and families, "turn" some, bust some, and break the spirit of most of the rest.

Hard to see even the half-assed "insurgency" we've been facing lasting a month if most males with any connection to the former regime are preventively and indefinitely detained. Any Sunni patriots stepping forward to try to carry the torch after the "pros" are behind wire should be dealt with harshly. The guys behind wire can be worked tremendously through bribery, coercion, and blackmail -- dynamite the trust and cohesion of the enemy, which is particularly vulnerable to this due to clan and regional fault lines.

If the Sunni minority (esp. the bulk of it, in al-Anbar and the north) were not a hopelessly outgunned and strategically beleaguered one, it would be prudent to make nice and attempt a smooth path to a new order. Uh uh. This is a civil war wherein the key objective is breaking the spirit of that minority. Eventually they'll be integrated and want to be. In the short term, they need to be crushed -- in whichever form a particular situation calls for, usually just pscyhologically, but physically when required. They're not an important part of Iraq's future, just a speed bump en route to that future.

Fallujah's a start, but it should be coupled with a harsh and aggressive detention/repression policy throughout the Sunni regions. The message should be disseminated ceaselessly and aggressively -- you're not getting the country back, your best bet is to secure a place in the country's future by cooperating and getting on with life. Back up these words with mass preventive detention, economic punishment, and more Fallujah-type aggressive military action.

Before the Sunni minority and can be co-opted and integrated, it's got to be ruthlessly suppressed, and its spirit crushed. Any other approach is criminal incompetence that wastes American and Iraqi lives.

Posted by Verlaine 2004-11-13 1:39:13 PM|| 2004-11-13 1:39:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Verlaine, you make it sound so easy ....
These MF,s ( all of them ) have been fighting tribal wars since the the B.C. years. When we finally are succesful in bringing some sort of stability. These " minority" tribes will still be raising hell. The Iraq people need to quit hiding and step up ... I believe we are doing all we can.
Its time for the majority ( not just a few ) to grow some balls and take care of these goons.

Posted by leo88 2004-11-13 2:02:26 PM|| 2004-11-13 2:02:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Keep an eye out for Saudi masterminds in burkhas.

Posted by ed 2004-11-13 2:18:55 PM|| 2004-11-13 2:18:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 One thing I hope is happening is that the troops on the ground are combing the population for individuals who are able and willing to identify rebels that are hiding among the civilians, like that kid that's now in CO. This operation will be wrapped up soon, and weeding out the baddies will be the next task.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-13 2:25:14 PM|| 2004-11-13 2:25:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 "There is nothing that distinguishes an insurgent from a civilian," the 1st Cavalry officer said. "If theyâre not carrying a weapon, you canât tell whoâs who."

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Geneva Convention was written, and why forces that do not follow it do not deserve its protection.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-11-13 4:09:43 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-11-13 4:09:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 "We assume theyâll go home and just wait out the storm or find a place thatâs safe," ... or die.

For once, we have a chance of success. Only by making Fallujah's male population bear direct witness to how insurgents place their lives in dire peril will there ever be a chance at removing any incentive to help them. This is finally being done.

Want that rooftop sniper removed? Point him out.

Want that car bomb manufacturer stopped? Report him.

Want to live? Act like it.

Posted by Zenster 2004-11-13 5:20:26 PM|| 2004-11-13 5:20:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 It's hard to believe we're letting their larvae and breeders out safely.

Posted by Asedwich 2004-11-13 7:54:00 PM|| 2004-11-13 7:54:00 PM|| Front Page Top

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