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2006-11-04 Home Front: Culture Wars
AWOL Soldiers in Canada Upset About Being Returned to Units Instead of Being Discharged
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Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-11-04 06:12|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 ...Can you say 'desertion', assclown? They never, EVER forget that one. If you're hiding out in the hope that a future administration will tell you all is forgiven, forget it. Not even Jimmah pardoned the deserters.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-11-04 09:31||   2006-11-04 09:31|| Front Page Top

#2 leave em there and revoke their citizenship. Declare them PNG and never allow them back. Ever
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-11-04 09:33||   2006-11-04 09:33|| Front Page Top

#3 Abandoning your country is no casual decision. And at least some of these guys seem to have enlisted post Iraq invasion, so they knew they were heading for war. 220 is no trivial number - and that's just the ones who say they want to return. Something significant seems to have happened to them & it would make sense for the US military authorities to try to understand just what it was. Some people just aren't psychologically capable of combat, or even of deployment - can we recognize them before investing in them? Perhaps others were subjected to some kind of conditions or experiences that pushed them over the edge - could they have been saved by different 'handling.? Perhaps even some were participants in/witnesses to legitimate atrocities - obviously that would need to be addressed.
The point is, there are valuable lessons to be learned from these men and we should try to learn them. (I am being purely pragmatic here, and make no moral or PC defense of the deserters.)
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2006-11-04 09:59||   2006-11-04 09:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Well, I'm not going to advocate the military employ time-honored penalty for deserters. I'm a nice guy that way... maybe too nice.

Leavenworth sounds appropriate, tho.
Posted by markawarka 2006-11-04 10:00||   2006-11-04 10:00|| Front Page Top

#5 Going back and facing your prior peers who did go to Iraq and fight must be pretty tough for these pussies.

Did any guys in their unit get killed on the last deployment?
Posted by Penguin 2006-11-04 10:01||   2006-11-04 10:01|| Front Page Top

#6 Notice that none ever desert to Mexico?
Posted by Pappy 2006-11-04 10:10||   2006-11-04 10:10|| Front Page Top

#7 Glenmore,
you've got a point - it is pounded into the troops' heads from day 1 that desertion is the ultimate disgrace and the authorities never forget - there was an article a few months back that mentioned the FBI is still (officially) looking for deserters from WWII and Korea. But I think we're looking at it from the wrong angle. Look at the people who these clowns are talking to - I truly believe that there is a concerted effort to subvert the US military out there, and it doesnt take much to learn how to play on someone's fears and feelings.
Some of these guys - a VERY small percentage - may have bailed because they didn't believe. The rest ...I think we need to look hard at who is talking to them.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-11-04 10:13||   2006-11-04 10:13|| Front Page Top

#8 The rest ...I think we need to look hard at who is talking to them.

And put them up for treason.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2006-11-04 10:56|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-11-04 10:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Don't let the screen door hit ya, boys. Enjoy the snow.
Posted by anon 2006-11-04 11:23||   2006-11-04 11:23|| Front Page Top

#10 Perhaps others were subjected to some kind of conditions or experiences that pushed them over the edge - could they have been saved by different 'handling.? Perhaps even some were participants in/witnesses to legitimate atrocities - obviously that would need to be addressed.
The point is, there are valuable lessons to be learned from these men and we should try to learn them. (I am being purely pragmatic here, and make no moral or PC defense of the deserters.)

Gee, Glenmore, if it wasn't for your disclaimer at the end I would have pegged you for a "Root Causes®" kind of guy.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-04 12:35||   2006-11-04 12:35|| Front Page Top

#11 Why aren't they being hung?
Posted by Icerigger 2006-11-04 12:52||   2006-11-04 12:52|| Front Page Top

#12 Aw, poor babies. My heart bleeds, really it does.

News flash, guys: Jimmuh the Rabbit Killer ain't the President no more, and you don't get no amnesty. Stay in Canada fo all I fuckin' care.
Posted by mojo">mojo  2006-11-04 13:28||   2006-11-04 13:28|| Front Page Top

#13 They will all come back. Things will be fine and after a few years they will have thought it's all forgotten. Then, one day, they will get pulled over for a traffic ticket and the police will run their info..... BAM! Turned back over to federal custody.

Actually, 220 is a small number when you consider how many rotations units have been on for OIF/OEF. Let Canada keep them.

Posted by Armylife 2006-11-04 13:35||   2006-11-04 13:35|| Front Page Top

#14 Deseertion is a felony.

the people helping the deserters should be tried and imprisoned for aiding and abetting the comission of a felony, and for conspiricy to commit a felony, the property used (safe houses, cars, etc) should be siezed under RICO.
Posted by OldSpook 2006-11-04 17:51||   2006-11-04 17:51|| Front Page Top

#15 You’re sent back to your original unit [if it still exists - some Vietnam/Korea era deserters would find the unit disbanded]. It is SOP. That’s where the personnel ‘paper work’ process starts. The papers have to be completed and signed off by the Courts Martial level authority, usually a Division level General Officer. The longer you screw around, the longer its going to take. They don’t want you anymore than you want to be among them, but there is no ‘Holding Company’ for the likes of you and generally another unit isn’t tagged with keeping track of you and dealing with your behavior problems till the ink in dry. Of course there is the option of being assigned to the Inmate Control Unit at Fort Leavenworth, but that usually requires a minimum tour of duty of greater than 180 days.
Posted by Procopius2K 2006-11-04 21:33||   2006-11-04 21:33|| Front Page Top

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