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2019-10-10 Science & Technology
Humans will not 'migrate' to other planets, Nobel winner says
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Posted by Besoeker 2019-10-10 07:12|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [296 views ]  Top

#1 The Abilene Paradox and the power of Group Think:

The term was introduced by management expert Jerry B. Harvey in his 1974 article "The Abilene Paradox: The Management of Agreement".[3] The name of the phenomenon comes from an anecdote that Harvey uses in the article to elucidate the paradox:

On a hot afternoon visiting in Coleman, Texas, the family is comfortably playing dominoes on a porch, until the father-in-law suggests that they take a trip to Abilene [53 miles (85 km) north] for dinner. The wife says, "Sounds like a great idea." The husband, despite having reservations because the drive is long and hot, thinks that his preferences must be out-of-step with the group and says, "Sounds good to me. I just hope your mother wants to go." The mother-in-law then says, "Of course I want to go. I haven't been to Abilene in a long time."

The drive is hot, dusty, and long. When they arrive at the cafeteria, the food is as bad as the drive. They arrive back home four hours later, exhausted.

One of them dishonestly says, "It was a great trip, wasn't it?" The mother-in-law says that, actually, she would rather have stayed home, but went along since the other three were so enthusiastic. The husband says, "I wasn't delighted to be doing what we were doing. I only went to satisfy the rest of you." The wife says, "I just went along to keep you happy. I would have had to be crazy to want to go out in the heat like that." The father-in-law then says that he only suggested it because he thought the others might be bored.

The group sits back, perplexed that they together decided to take a trip which none of them wanted. They each would have preferred to sit comfortably, but did not admit to it when they still had time to enjoy the afternoon.

Ronald Sims writes that the Abilene paradox is similar to groupthink, but differs in significant ways, including that in groupthink individuals are not acting contrary to their conscious wishes and generally feel good about the decisions the group has reached.[4] According to Sims, in the Abilene paradox, the individuals acting contrary to their own wishes are more likely to have negative feelings about the outcome. In Sims' view, groupthink is a psychological phenomenon affecting clarity of thought, where in the Abilene paradox thought is unaffected.[5]

Like groupthink theories, the Abilene paradox theory is used to illustrate that groups not only have problems managing disagreements, but that agreements may also be a problem in a poorly functioning group.
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Posted by Besoeker 2019-10-10 07:39||   2019-10-10 07:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Gawd only gave the earth to man to tend to and eat from OK, maybe dig oil wells in and race cars around and blow shit up too, but only earth. The planets are off limits until He says so.

Lest man endeavour to usurp the dominium of the Host, Gawd gave him the itch to organize everything into committees and governments and agencies. The spirit of confusion, as it were, inherent in the systems theory bases of every modern endeavour. Neatly arranged on paper, but everybody with their own jargon, their own perspectives, their own agendas and nothing much getting done properly. It's how Nimrod's self-licking ice cream came to naught, and it's how every major 'bigness' project ends. Forget the interplanetary consortiums of SciFi , people can't manage a fucking UN.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-10-10 08:19||   2019-10-10 08:19|| Front Page Top

#3 I have seen dozens of prominent physicists "prove" that theory of evolution is false. In fact, in my experience - whenever any physicist expresses an opinion on any issue in biology, he's invariably wrong*. I came to the conclusion that Physics was the first of the exact sciences because it's the simplest - so simple that even some physicists understand it.

*Except Einstein who admitted that Biology is a lot more complicated than Physics.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-10 08:36||   2019-10-10 08:36|| Front Page Top

#4 Although no scientist, I can attest to the power of Physics applied to Biology. The result can change the Civics sometimes, and Economics in the long run.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-10-10 08:48||   2019-10-10 08:48|| Front Page Top

#5 Well, you sure as fuck won't Michel Mayor.

Posted by DarthVader 2019-10-10 09:04||   2019-10-10 09:04|| Front Page Top

#6 #4 Tech not thinking. Whenever a physicist thinks of biological phenomena it's always along the lines of "Since everything important is taught in physics undergraduate courses, there gotta be a formula that describes (say) immune response in what I learned. Got it! It's the Bernoulli formula for a ball rolling down an inclined slope!"
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-10 09:28||   2019-10-10 09:28|| Front Page Top

#7 The headline is deceptive. He is talking about planets around other stars, not Mars.

"If we are talking about exoplanets, things should be clear: we will not migrate there,"

Would it even be migrating if your grandkids were the ones who arrived?
Posted by rjschwarz 2019-10-10 17:06||   2019-10-10 17:06|| Front Page Top

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