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2006-10-29 Home Front: Politix

WaPo - October is the "Tipping Point" in Iraq

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Posted by Bobby 2006-10-29 07:20|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Thank Gawd, we lost.
Back to basics, who's for Aruba?

Posted by Shipman 2006-10-29 09:13|| 2006-10-29 09:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Great inline, Bobby. I would add that one of the article's authors, Ricks, has a book out ("Fiasco", available for only $27.95 until it hits the remainder tables in about three weeks.) I'm sure that didn't influence his reporting here. He even gives himself a thinly veiled plug with the reference to several books critical of the administration's handling of the war. ("Gee, Tom, any particular books you've got in mind?")

Note also the advocacy words salted throughout the article: grimmer flared surge anxious discontent dour misgivings erupted etc.

Posted by Matt 2006-10-29 09:22|| 2006-10-29 09:22|| Front Page Top

#3 Say Doom!

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-10-29 09:59|| 2006-10-29 09:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Lol, tough house.

Personal peeve: I hate Warner. I don't "like" many politicians, but sheesh - I've had rocks in my yard smarter than this dud.

Posted by .com 2006-10-29 10:30|| 2006-10-29 10:30|| Front Page Top

#5 Thank Gawd, we lost.
Back to basics, who's for Aruba?
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-29 09:13
Hey yea! That's right, they never did find that Natalie what's her name.

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-10-29 10:42|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com] 2006-10-29 10:42|| Front Page Top

#6 Holloway. Natalie Holloway. I'm dedicating the next 5 shows to discussing the lack of new information

Posted by Greta Van Sustern">Greta Van Sustern 2006-10-29 10:55|| 2006-10-29 10:55|| Front Page Top

#7 Which reminds me - I've been meaning to ask where 2b disappeared to...

Don't tell me she went to Aruba...

Posted by .com 2006-10-29 11:05|| 2006-10-29 11:05|| Front Page Top

#8 Lets break the WOT down shall we:

* US Casualties: ~3,000 so far AFTER 4yrs of Invasion, Conquest, Occupation of 2 hostile nation/populations. (may I also remind this number is just recentley matching the number of civi's lost on 9-11) I remember my great uncles talk about WW2 battles were they lost 1/2-2/3 of thier units while piling the enemy up 3-4 layer, I wonder what they would call US for losing heart at such historically low losses?

* We finally realized we were at war on 9-11 but before that we were hit multiple times 93' WT, Coe, two Embasies, Somalia, ect.. Today with our offensive war we choose the Battle Field and has so far forced the terrorist to spend most if not all of their limited resources on our two primary battle fields of OUR CHOICE. Did I mention we have in this procedure created 2 new allies with nearly 300k combined auxilary force (thier is no world were our EU wine buddies would send half that number to help US in a war). Oh and did I mention in this adventure a almost unmentioned fact is we went from nearly 0 ground intel on the ME to HUGE on the ground strings in two nations sprouting out & now tied to US.

* Economic: Very simply even including our War Suplementals add it up we are below the 80's peace time GDP/ratio's. And historically speaking NO WAR BONDS, NO WAR TAXES needed as yet. Ecomonmy unaffected, no massive retooling for war needed like WW2 or WW1.

* Human requirement: So far we have held this war tempo with a VOLUNTEER ONLY military. NO DRAFT, no huge portion of population touched we are at something like .05% or something.

* Foreign civilian casualties: Personally for me this is irrelevent I am a unabashed Nationalist that has no qualms about saying I would without thought sacrifise thousands of foreigners for one US citizen (being a US citizen is a honor and any human any type can become a US citizen so yeah we are the cream). But for our beeding heart types lets say the Iraqi loses of 600k are real. How many civilians were lost in Korea, WW2, WW1, hell X civil War around the world Dafur, Samalia, Russia, Columbia, ect...? People forget this is not just a war between US and them this is also a Muslim Civil war between Moderates vs Radicals. If everyone could remember in the begining the reason we chose reform the ME was we beleived the Moderates could control the Radicals if given the chance did anyone think the Radicals wouldd just lay down and accept being dominated by people they considered non-devotes? Historically speaking the civilian casualties are minor and expected and if you use a civil war ratio even more minor historically.

I am so tired of these damm cry babie p*ssies. We need a leader with a sack that will get up their and start presenting this war in a historical prespective and explaining what if we lose prospects. And to call a spade a spade. Sedition is Sedition CNN playing Terrorist propaganda (can anyone imagine what if Xnetwork played Tokoyo Rose in WW2?). Durbin, Kerry, Murtha, all should have had thier "patriotism" questioned hell yeah. The leakers who even when caught are just getting retirement with benefits pink slips WTF last I checked leaking classified info was TREASON just because you transfer that info through 3rd party say a Media outlet, even better if X leaker gave me info and I gave it to X enemy would't I be a accomplice?

It is not time for the US to start rethinking our War Effort it is time for US to get REAL and start fighting this as a WAR OF SURVIVAL that it is. Both externally and INTERNALLY.

To all those on the R who have now gotten weak kneed becuase it wasn't a push over war suck it up we are engaged and no matter what it takes thier is only VICTORY or DEFEAT.

Posted by C-Low 2006-10-29 12:53|| 2006-10-29 12:53|| Front Page Top

#9 ...Coe...

They got David Allen Coe!?!? Damn! I'm really mad now. I sure hope Jerry Jeff is okay.

Posted by BoNeards 2006-10-29 13:50|| 2006-10-29 13:50|| Front Page Top

#10 C-low, you didn't mention the ongoing weapons development gains.

Posted by wxjames 2006-10-29 15:52|| 2006-10-29 15:52|| Front Page Top

#11 ...Realfacts=thoughtcrime, doubleplus ungood.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-10-29 15:54|| 2006-10-29 15:54|| Front Page Top

#12 Realfacts is from a Babylon 5 show when Sheridan is Delenn and the other heroes of 2264 are being 'deconstructed' 10,000 years later. The real truth of 2264 was being replaced by "Goodfacts". I think the opposite of goodfacts was realfacts.

Posted by Bobby 2006-10-29 18:32|| 2006-10-29 18:32|| Front Page Top

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