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2023-10-18 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Hamas missile accidentally blows up hospital, kills 500. Israel gets blamed.

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Posted by Fred 2023-10-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11144 views ] Top
File under: Hamas

#1 IDF contradicts 'Squad' tweets accusing Israeli military of bombing hospital

Posted by Skidmark 2023-10-18 00:09|| 2023-10-18 00:09|| Front Page Top

#2 An interesting tidbit from Skidmark’s article:

However, only hours later, a spokesperson from the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said in a tweet on Israel's main X account that the Christian hospital in Gaza was destroyed by a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket amid their barrage, not an Israeli missile.

Posted by trailing wife 2023-10-18 00:39|| 2023-10-18 00:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Now, Biden admin has a perfect excuse for (not nonexpected) backstabing of Israel.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-10-18 00:53|| 2023-10-18 00:53|| Front Page Top

#4 Live: View of Israel's southern front in Sderot where Israeli forces are gathered

https://x.com/IAFsite/status/1714516199059472884?s=20

Posted by newc 2023-10-18 01:49|| 2023-10-18 01:49|| Front Page Top

#5 All in all, a good day. 500 is not bad, even if it's a self goal. Children shmildren... fuck 'em all!

Posted by Dron66046 2023-10-18 03:16|| 2023-10-18 03:16|| Front Page Top

#6 They never told the ramping crowd to card a woman's hide,
They never marked a man for death -- what fault of theirs he died? --
They only said "intimidate," and talked and went away --
By God, the boys that did the work were braver men than they!

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-10-18 03:33|| 2023-10-18 03:33|| Front Page Top

#7 Dron, we only have Paleos word for "500".

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-10-18 03:34|| 2023-10-18 03:34|| Front Page Top

#8 Yes of course.

Posted by Dron66046 2023-10-18 03:36|| 2023-10-18 03:36|| Front Page Top

#9 Isn't a hospital the ideal place for Hamas vermin to hide though?

Even if it's just random paleos, I'm okay with it. They dance for the death of every jew and cackle over every terrorist stunt. They can reap the whirlwind this time, them and their damned spawn.

Posted by Dron66046 2023-10-18 03:40|| 2023-10-18 03:40|| Front Page Top

#10

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-10-18 04:21|| 2023-10-18 04:21|| Front Page Top

#11
Face it, Hamas' genocidal focused murderous attack is plain for all to see, and have caused a massive negative image impact at least among civilized persons and nations.

BTW: (Wondering out-loud here)
Don't we see the LSD controlled US MSM using basically the same Headline every time the Obama-Biden regime screws up and tries to blame Trump and/or the Constitutional adhering Right?

Posted by NN2N1 2023-10-18 05:26|| 2023-10-18 05:26|| Front Page Top

#12 Italy: Hamas must be punished for Gaza hospital strike, UK urges cool heads

British foreign minister James Cleverly said on Wednesday that "cool heads must prevail" and that too many people jumped to conclusions around a blast at a hospital in Gaza on Tuesday.

The international community "must protect innocent civilians and punish Hamas," Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto said on Wednesday, commenting on the Gaza hospital strike in which hundreds of people died.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the news of a blast at a hospital in Gaza was "horrific and absolutely unacceptable."

This boy has a bad case of hoof-mouth desease?

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-10-18 07:59|| 2023-10-18 07:59|| Front Page Top

#13 All of this just happens to coincide with a US Presidential visit to Israel.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-10-18 08:07|| 2023-10-18 08:07|| Front Page Top

#14 They could have a video of the driving a truck bomb to the front door and still blame Israel. I'm with dron, fuck em all

Posted by Chris 2023-10-18 08:58|| 2023-10-18 08:58|| Front Page Top

#15 "us president visits israel" No, biden did

Posted by irish rage boy 2023-10-18 10:28|| 2023-10-18 10:28|| Front Page Top

#16 Israeli Intelligence Suddenly Able To Intercept Hamas Communications

Another strange thing about Israel’s claim that its intelligence services didn’t detect preparations for the Hamas attack on October 7 is the fact that it is now releasing what it claims are intercepted conversations of Hamas fighters talking to each other about matters of high importance.

Israel has released an audio clip of two voices which it claims belong to Hamas militants speaking about the hotly disputed explosion at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza on Tuesday. The IDF had previously told the press that it would be releasing intercepted conversations which prove Palestinian Islamic Jihad, not Israel, was responsible for the blast.

Here’s a transcript of Israel’s English translation of the dialogue:

Hamas Operative #2: I’m telling you this is the first time that we see a missile like this failing and so that’s why we are saying it belongs to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Hamas Operative #1: What?

Hamas Operative #2: They are saying it belongs to Palestinian Islamic Jihad

Hamas Operative #1: It’s from us?

#2: It looks like it

#1: Who says this?

#2: They are saying that the shrapnel from the missile is local shrapnel and not like Israeli shrapnel

#1: What are you saying (name bleeped)?

#2: But God bless, it couldn’t have found another place to explode?

#1: Nevermind, (name bleeped), yes they shot it from the cemetery behind the hospital

#2: What?

#1: They shot it coming from the cemetery behind the Al-Ma’amadani Hospital, and it misfired and fell on them

#2: There is a cemetery behind it?

#1: Yes, Al-Ma’amadani is exactly in the compound

#2: Where is it when you enter the compound?

#1: You first enter the compound and don’t go towards the city and it’s on the right side of the Al-Ma’amadani Hospital.

#2: Yes , I know it.

You can make of this transcript what you wish. I’ve seen plenty of people on the pro-Palestinian side of the debate disputing the veracity of the recording for a variety of reasons, from claiming Gazans don’t speak in the accent used in the clip to claiming Hamas fighters don’t communicate such information over the phone or without using codes for locations. But I personally am completely unqualified to make such assessments, so I’ll leave that question alone for the time being.

All I’d like to highlight at the moment is the fact that it sure is interesting how Israel suddenly claims to have all this visibility into conversations between Hamas fighters about combat operations against Israel. Where was all this eavesdropping capability while Hamas was preparing a massive assault that wound up killing over a thousand people?

It’s certainly possible that Israeli intelligence services are phenomenal at spying on Hamas communications, and it’s certainly possible that Israeli intelligence services had no idea Hamas was preparing its attack. It’s also possible that both are false. But it’s very difficult to believe they’re both true.

It’s very hard to believe that Israel had all this insight into what Hamas fighters are communicating about but somehow missed preparations for a highly sophisticated multi-pronged attack involving motorboats, drones and motorized paragliders in an area the size of Philadelphia. It’s even harder to believe it when you learn that Egyptian intelligence warned Israel of a coming attack shortly before it happened. It’s harder still when you learn that according to CNN, US officials were circulating “reporting from Israel indicating unusual activity by Hamas” on October 6. Even harder when you learn that Hamas itself was reportedly greatly surprised by how many Israelis they were able to kill and how many hostages they were able to take.

One of the many problems with the bizarre mainstream consensus that it’s fine for nations to go on a murderous rampage whenever something bad happens to them — as we saw from the US after 9/11 and are seeing again in Israel — is that it gives sociopathic intelligence agencies an obvious and undeniable incentive to let bad things happen in order to advance pre-existing agendas that can only be advanced by mass-scale military violence. Whether that’s happening in this particular case or not, it would be wise to remove this incentive by insisting on cool heads and rational responses to attacks when they occur.

Posted by Ulomorong Croting3271 2023-10-18 11:10|| 2023-10-18 11:10|| Front Page Top

#17 ^ It's hard to use couriers for messaging in a City of rubble as they did pre-Oct 7th attack

Posted by Frank G 2023-10-18 11:32|| 2023-10-18 11:32|| Front Page Top

#18 Missile carrying waaaahambulance coming thru...

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-10-18 11:39|| 2023-10-18 11:39|| Front Page Top

#19 How about some variety ACA? An occasional kike, zid, Christ killers? Alla time "Jew", "jew" is boring.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-10-18 11:53|| 2023-10-18 11:53|| Front Page Top

#20 Chat GPT can only do so much, Grom.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-10-18 11:55|| 2023-10-18 11:55|| Front Page Top

#21 Ah.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-10-18 12:00|| 2023-10-18 12:00|| Front Page Top

#22 As the fog of war begins to lift, or rather the heavy layer of Hamas disinformation, it appears increasingly clear that it was not a hospital that was hit in Gaza but a hospital parking lot, that the death toll was likely in the dozens not the hundreds, and that the culprit was not the IDF but a faulty rocket fired by Islamic Jihad.

And that Hamas knew this very quickly, and nevertheless worked very quickly to disseminate the “Israel to blame” narrative.

It was right and necessary for the IDF to thoroughly investigate before Spokesman Daniel Hagari stated definitively — albeit more than three hours after the blast at Gaza’s al-Ahli hospital — that Israel was not responsible for the horrifying death and destruction there on Tuesday night, and vital, many hours later, that he held an English-briefing and released materials to underpin the Israeli account.
“They shot [the rocket] from the cemetery behind the hospital,” an alleged Hamas member tells another in a call intercepted by the IDF and released by Hagari. “And it misfired and fell on them.”

Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-10-18 12:32|| 2023-10-18 12:32|| Front Page Top

#23 Media "too good to check" meter pegged. Need a graphic for that.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-10-18 12:49|| 2023-10-18 12:49|| Front Page Top

#24 And that Hamas knew this very quickly, and nevertheless worked very quickly to disseminate the “Israel to blame” narrative.

It was interesting to see how many commentators on the interwebs fell for it immediately, people I would expect to be more media savvy. Humans, bah!

"Of course we know ~~what happened~~ who did it - it was $THE_OTHER_SIDE becuz that's just how they are, amirite?"

Posted by SteveS 2023-10-18 13:00|| 2023-10-18 13:00|| Front Page Top

#25

Posted by ACA JOE 2023-10-18 13:35|| 2023-10-18 13:35|| Front Page Top

#26

Posted by ACA JOE 2023-10-18 13:38|| 2023-10-18 13:38|| Front Page Top

#27 It’s one thing to buy the initial story. It’s an entirely different thing not to acknowledge when it’s clear you were wrong.

Posted by Gerthudion Glaise9097 2023-10-18 13:54|| 2023-10-18 13:54|| Front Page Top

#28 Which step are we on now?

Posted by Ulomorong Croting3271 2023-10-18 14:02|| 2023-10-18 14:02|| Front Page Top

#29 Where was all this eavesdropping capability while Hamas was preparing a massive assault that wound up killing over a thousand people?

Firehose effect, I imagine. Having been assured via Egypt that Hamas was intent on keeping its head down for a while and rebuilding after the last round of Gaza rockets, fire balloons, and riots that resulted in rubble bouncing, Israel’s intelligence agencies were focussed on the West Bank and Iran, with more attention paid to Arab communities within Israel itself. Pretty effectively, it seems to me, because this round’s desired pincer again had to happen without West Bank or Arab-Israeli involvement, and therefore again Hezbollah is confident enough in the outcome to not shoot off their 150,000+ missiles and burst over the border from Lebanon.

Once again this could have been an existential event instead of merely extremely nasty. I blame the “anti-judicial overhaul” protestors for encouraging the timing and the level of nastiness — the world thought the Israeli government distracted and fatally weakened, so Iran pushed Hamas to go now and nastily enough to break, as they assumed, Israel’s will to fight. Goodness knows various Iranian big turbans have commented to that effect recently.

But now that Israel is paying closer attention, their version of the NSA can make use of what they were more or less ignoring before.

Posted by trailing wife 2023-10-18 14:08|| 2023-10-18 14:08|| Front Page Top

#30 #13 yeah, we know the WHO. The WHY, not so much. This could all be battle plan execution. See what I did there?

Posted by Rex Mundi 2023-10-18 14:40|| 2023-10-18 14:40|| Front Page Top

#31 Was worried about El-Brush the Sweaty Face.

Posted by swksvolFF 2023-10-18 14:58|| 2023-10-18 14:58|| Front Page Top

#32 Inshallah targeting system.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-10-18 15:50|| 2023-10-18 15:50|| Front Page Top

#33 Come on Man, it's not like it's rocket science.

What?
Oh.

Posted by Skidmark 2023-10-18 23:46|| 2023-10-18 23:46|| Front Page Top

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