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2007-10-16 Afghanistan

Afghan suicide bomber kills 3 family members

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Posted by Steve White 2007-10-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ] Top

#1 Somehow I'm having trouble feeling much sympathy for the deaders ... Deaders being a woman, a little girl and a little boy (most likely just as innocent as the intended innocent victims).

That's Real Good Steve. Especially coming from a former military pilot. But, really, does that make you come across as a better person than the terrorist who felt the same about his intended "deaders", Steve?

Posted by Pheagar the Imposter4243 2007-10-16 01:16|| 2007-10-16 01:16|| Front Page Top

#2 Yes, Pheager the IdiotPoster, it does.

It takes a village to raise a jihadist.

Feel free to cry your eyes out for them while the rest of us breathe a sigh of relief.

If you need some cash to buy a plane ticket to offer your condolences in person, I think I can spare it.

Posted by Omomomp Big Foot4885 2007-10-16 01:30|| 2007-10-16 01:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Thank you Omomomp, for clearing that up. Innocents being killed in a village either by the bad guys or our guys is just fine, then. Just what I thought, a mentality that brings back memories of Vietnam's Mai Lai village. It seems Vietnam Veterans are what I see here. Therefore, thank God above our young military people these days are much better oriented regarding this issue, and would never require a village of little boys and girls be destroyed, for the sake of one, older, bad guy. God above may let these young people win this war...

Posted by Pheagar the Imposter4243 2007-10-16 01:54|| 2007-10-16 01:54|| Front Page Top

#4 Hey jackbag - once bro brought the boomer in the house, this was on him. You fail (as usual) to see the difference between us and them. We don't target innocents though they do get killed. This cat brough the the bomb to HIS house. We try to kill those who are killing us - self defence 101. They want to kill everyone who doesn't believe in thier religion - see the difference ? No I'm not VV, just a regular old vet.

Posted by Albemarle Gruse9049 2007-10-16 02:45|| 2007-10-16 02:45|| Front Page Top

#5 Somehow I'm having trouble feeling much sympathy for the deaders

You're a very bad man---I'd like to buy you a beer.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-10-16 04:44|| 2007-10-16 04:44|| Front Page Top

#6 [Aris Katsaris has been pooplisted.]

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-16 07:08|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-16 07:08|| Front Page Top

#7 I don't know enough to know whether sympathy is warranted or not. How old was his sister? Less than about 8? Likely deserving sympathy. Mama was hurting either way - if she'd lived, it would have been with the knowledge that one of her kids killed two others. I would figure Afghan moms are about as clueless as any others about what their teenage sons are up to except (for instance) how do you hide your p0rn in a mud hut in a country village? More questions: did he just blow up prematurely or was he giving (or getting) lessons when it happened? Little bro was 11 - just about trainee age - I wonder if anyone thought to check him for color-blindnees (it affects about 1 in 10 males.)

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-10-16 07:13|| 2007-10-16 07:13|| Front Page Top

#8 (most likely just as innocent as the intended innocent victims).

Don't get out much, do you Pheagar? Haven't you read all the stories from the proud families on how they send their "brave" sons or daughters off to blow themselves up for Allen? And how the little ones can't wait until they're old enough to kill some infidels? Most likely they were gathered around to wish Sonny happy jihad.

Posted by Steve 2007-10-16 07:18|| 2007-10-16 07:18|| Front Page Top

#9 Is there any need to censor Aris? I know bandwith, etc, etc, but although I dont agree with his viewpoints, his comments are usually clean enough. Maybe not "well reasoned", but certainly "civil".

I may not agree with what he says, but I will defend his right to die, bitter and alone, for his beliefs.

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-10-16 07:25|| 2007-10-16 07:25|| Front Page Top

#10 Fred and the moderator staff decided last week to ban Aris again-- this time, permanently.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-10-16 07:50|| 2007-10-16 07:50|| Front Page Top

#11 I'm sorry - I'm sorry they raised and lived with this POS. I'm also sorry some have the fake outrage not to be pissed at the innocents this stain would've killed. FY Pheager. Cretin

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-16 07:56|| 2007-10-16 07:56|| Front Page Top

#12 Gene pool getting cleaner. Once again Islam devours its young. When Muslims finally give up on this terrorism shit, they won't have this problem. Until then, my heart pumps piss.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-16 08:01|| 2007-10-16 08:01|| Front Page Top

#13 Dave, do you have any links to the posts which caused the banning? Just interested.

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-10-16 08:11|| 2007-10-16 08:11|| Front Page Top

#14 Pheagar: I'm not a former military pilot. Just for the record.

I don't have much sympathy for the deaders -- none for the boomer. And Mom had to know what Sonny was doing. I don't think they're innocents.

Next time a young thug starts assembling a boom belt at home, Mom should swat him hard, ground him, make him do his homework and get his ass back into school. Then I'll have some sympathy.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2007-10-16 08:16|| 2007-10-16 08:16|| Front Page Top

#15 "Dave, do you have any links to the posts which caused the banning?"

Nope. But you can go back through the last week or so and scroll through the 'Burg looking for long threads; chances are, they're flamefests. It got to the point where Fred and the mods decided enough is enough.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-10-16 08:27|| 2007-10-16 08:27|| Front Page Top

#16 I support Fred & the Mods (sounds like a '70s disco group) in their pooplisting. I suspect it was not one particular post, but the cumulative effect that did Aris in. I found the threads he generated to be tedious and to detract from the overall Rantburg experience. I believe that was his intention as well, as I suspect it is Pheager's as well. I don't mind debate and maybe a little name calling, but sometime it goes too far.

Aris has his own website so it is not as if he can no longer express his opinions. He just can't derail comment threads here and make them all about Aris's most recent outrageous comment.

As far as I am concerned, Phreager is hitting the same limit. His point about the sister being innocent has merit, but comparing Dr. Steve White to My Lai? This guy obviously hasn't read much of what Steve has posted. If he thinks we're all a bunch of vicious Vietnam Vets then perhaps he should spend time with folks with whom he is more comfortable. But don't stop by, drop a turd in the punch bowl and expect a friendly reception.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-10-16 09:19|| 2007-10-16 09:19|| Front Page Top

#17 Good summary, NS.

As Dr. Steve indicated last Saturday in this thread (see #13), Pheager, annoying though he be, is not banned yet because he shows possible potential as a chew toy. Sometimes trolls are funny.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-10-16 09:32|| 2007-10-16 09:32|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm sorry the kids got blown up, but c'mon - the guy was wearing an explosive vest! It wasn't like this was 'something the kids are all wearing tese days'.

This has the same collective mental disposition as storing a live grenade, or working on a bomb at the kitchen table. Sooner or later somebody is going to buy it.

FWIW, this is a hell of a lot different than shooting a 77-year old lady in her house for breathing-while-muslim.

Posted by Pappy 2007-10-16 09:42|| 2007-10-16 09:42|| Front Page Top

#19 Well, I have spent long enough trawling & can only see one post to the professor / noose story, which was met with numerous Ad Hominem "Aris is back" snarks. The post employed logical fallacies, sure, in that it attributed the assumption of fascism to Republicanism as a part of Republicans own guilty conscience.

The only other post I found was a useful post about the Abkhazian / S. Ossetian independance bids being driven by Russian Imperialism.

A post which was met with derision by Gromgoru, with a substanceless attack.

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-10-16 09:46|| 2007-10-16 09:46|| Front Page Top

#20 Admiral, that horse is DEAD. You may as well stop beating it.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-10-16 10:01|| 2007-10-16 10:01|| Front Page Top

#21 if the poor Dead Horse

keeps getting the same BEATING then were gonna have to assign Homework to some of the commenters!

>:|

Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg 2007-10-16 10:27|| 2007-10-16 10:27|| Front Page Top

#22 Admiral, I am an arch conservative. I am very skilled in debate, even with liberals, and have actually persuaded several to change their views to support our troops, something these guys don't have the will to do. That fails our people on the front line. I have been submitting articles that support our President, our troops and the people we are bringing hope to for a long time here at Rantburg. I have been commenting in support of the vast majority of other commenters here, for a very long time.

However, I had never used a common alias, using whatever different alias the next login gives me, because I found out a long time ago, that the people here are extremely thin skinned, and if that skin gets the least bit pricked about a comment one makes, they go ballistic, lashing out with profanity, name calling, etc., etc.. I stuck with the alias "Pheagar the Imposter4243" the last few days because the one time in a very long time that these people disagree with me, calling me names, etc., etc., I wanted to let them have their "toying" time. It is going to be difficult for them. I will not stoop to the profanity they use, I will use facts in my responses. This also happened over a year ago. Nothing new with this bunch.

Posted by Pheagar the Imposter4243 2007-10-16 10:46|| 2007-10-16 10:46|| Front Page Top

#23 ...so now you know why these people are losing the home part of the war that our young people in the trenches need us to win so desperately. Or it will be another Vietnam in the M.E. if the homefront is lost.

Posted by Pheagar the Imposter4243 2007-10-16 10:50|| 2007-10-16 10:50|| Front Page Top

#24 I like the "Chew Toy" analogy, Dave.

Aris is certainly not uninformed on a variety of subjects. I have found some of his views challenging in ways that have strengthened my own convictions once the flaws in his argument have become apparent.

Without people like him the debate here becomes too self-congratulatory & we run the risk of fulfilling the right wing sterotype of being justified in our certitude by God/Self, rather than having reasoned our moral position in alignment with universal/divine principles of justice.

Just my 2p - admittedly more than I have put in the tip jar...

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-10-16 10:52|| 2007-10-16 10:52|| Front Page Top

#25 You cannot be that "skilled in debate" if you have to change 'nyms all the time.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-16 10:55|| 2007-10-16 10:55|| Front Page Top

#26 No sympathy here beyond the usual "sucks to be you, eh?". Let us assume the boomer would attempt to murder a crowd consisting of more than three people who were at least, if not more, innocent than his own family. Looking at it from the point of Sympathy Economics, this is actually a positive outcome since it minimizes the number of dead innocents.

And could someone put another bullet in that dead horse? It seems to still be twitching.

Posted by SteveS 2007-10-16 11:08|| 2007-10-16 11:08|| Front Page Top

#27 Well Pheagar, I expect that like myself, you will have utilised many of the facts / arguments found here in these articles and debates. I think you are too harsh in your criticisms.

I am sure that much of what the mods do here is out of expediency rather than being just for kicks.

However, I am a big advocate for free speech & whilst I'm not putting myself at risk like many of these folks, I stand firm on my own soil. I didnt see any liberals in Hyde park the other year when some 40,000 Muslims marched on "Speakers Corner", some would say the birthplace of free speech, to protest the cartoons.

I didnt go to tell them to stop their protests, just to refute and riducule their ideology & make them seethe & glower. I expect a higher standard from RB (so call me a cultural relativist if you will)

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-10-16 11:18|| 2007-10-16 11:18|| Front Page Top

#28 SteveS, Sympathy Economics - lol!

Balance as of Tuesday 16/10/2007 16:32:00
$-734,000,000.02 CR

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-10-16 11:22|| 2007-10-16 11:22|| Front Page Top

#29 I remember the woman who had eight sons and was a member of the Palestinian parliament. She was quoted as being proud that her sons were all suicide bombers who went out to kill the Joooos. She was nothing but a bomb factory.

Phreager, the suspicion is that this mother knew what her son was up to or, at the very least, failed in her parental duties to know who his friends were. Maybe that's holding her to too high of a standard than we should expect from Afghans but, then, other more or less innocent people were likely to die because of her failure. We went to war in Afghanistan because their society condoned the activities of Osama bin Laden. They are part of a culture that is hostile to us. This is the same culture that demanded the death penalty for a man who converted from Islam to Christianity. They are cynical barbarians who use our sympathy for the supposedly innocent civilians against us. The little brother and sister were most likely on the same path as the boomer. Screw 'em.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-10-16 11:49|| 2007-10-16 11:49|| Front Page Top

#30 Be mindful of your feelings.

Islamophobia is the path to the dark side.
Islamophobia leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to suffering.
I sense much Islamophobia in you

Nahh...

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-10-16 12:03|| 2007-10-16 12:03|| Front Page Top

#31 Ya ever notice the longest continuous threads are always started by someone taking exception to the norm among the burg? Why don't we save Fred's band-width by just rolling our eyes, nodding like a bobblehead and ignoring the misunderstood.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2007-10-16 12:37|| 2007-10-16 12:37|| Front Page Top

#32 Islamophobia is a great idea. I don't trust a one of them, and I would ban Islam were it up to me. In my experience, and from what information I have, Muslims the world over have proven Islamophobia a necessary guide to a secure life.
Welcome to Allan's Snackbar, Admiral.

Posted by wxjames 2007-10-16 13:33|| 2007-10-16 13:33|| Front Page Top

#33 Dhimmis feel.

Rantburgers think.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-10-16 14:29|| 2007-10-16 14:29|| Front Page Top

#34 .. I stuck with the alias "Pheagar the Imposter4243" the last few days because the one time in a very long time that these people disagree with me, calling me names, etc.,

Theyed called u namez? That's just wrong! What kinda reps you need. A friend to talk too, $5 bucks for a samich? The Bank of Rantburg will make you whole. Trust me on this.

Posted by 88sHeBang 2007-10-16 17:03|| 2007-10-16 17:03|| Front Page Top

#35 I'm a full-fledged Vietnam vet, and proud of it. I also see a parallel here between Vietnam and Afghanistan. When people won't stop those that wish to enslave them, whether they're Viet Cong or islamists, they are just as guilty as those that do the enslaving. One of the great things that is happening in Iraq is that the local people are turning against the boomers and killers. Many are actually taking up arms to defend themselves and their villages. This is exactly what's needed to put an end to islamoterrorism. I'm not seeing that much of this kind of behavior in Afghanistan. If MOM had at least tried to argue with junior, to try to get him to see how stupid he was being, then I might have sympathy. If MOM had shooed out the other kiddies, they'd lived. If the KIDDIES had had two active brain cells, they'd have left on their own. But by glorifying this kind of violence, all of them have endorsed it. I have no sympathy for such people.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-10-16 17:45|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-10-16 17:45|| Front Page Top

#36 When people won't stop those that wish to enslave them, whether they're Viet Cong or islamists, they are just as guilty as those that do the enslaving.

Word, OP. Muslims must turn upon their jihadis or join them in the crosshairs.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-16 18:15|| 2007-10-16 18:15|| Front Page Top

#37 Admiral, I am an arch conservative.

That's nice. I'm a lousy golfer myself. Everyone should have a hobby.

I am very skilled in debate, even with liberals, and have actually persuaded several to change their views to support our troops, something these guys don't have the will to do.
That fails our people on the front line.

Well, I guess the more than a few of us here that are still working with the troops are obviously 'falling down on the job'.

I have been submitting articles that support our President, our troops and the people we are bringing hope to for a long time here at Rantburg.

That's nice. Why don't you also find a few funny animal stories as well? Just a little something for me to take my mind off work.

Also, you doth protest too much.

I have been commenting in support of the vast majority of other commenters here, for a very long time.

And if you kept one nym, I'd thank you for your support.

However, I had never used a common alias, using whatever different alias the next login gives me, because I found out a long time ago, that the people here are extremely thin skinned...

Speaking of thin-skinned...

Y'know, part of standing behind your beliefs here (or anywhere) is not assuming camouflage every time somebody takes a dislike to 'you' or your words. Or, if you realize it won't do any good to comment on the mouth-breathers, don't say anything. Some people you'll never reach.

Posted by Pappy 2007-10-16 20:54|| 2007-10-16 20:54|| Front Page Top

#38 I call Bullshit on our chew-toy - in all facets - having been here long, having had a discernible pattern of comments, shape-shifting nyms. conservative troop-supporting, ar1s-loving beyotch. F'ing liar

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-16 21:40|| 2007-10-16 21:40|| Front Page Top

#39 I always see waste of life as regretful. However, most of us here are numb to this sh*t --hence the gallows humour. The only bright side is maybe this situation will be a horrible lesson to other would-be shaheeds and their families. Pheager, IMO there is no correlation between Steve's sentiments and the intent of the terrorists. He has no sympathy for their death i.e. swim at your own risk, however, he didn't advocate for them to be killed - a big difference between terrornutz and us. Sure it's too bad this happened to a couple little kids but I'd feel a whole lot worse if this punk was able to pull this off by a patrol of Aussies or Dutchmen or other bystanders. I have had the pleasure of twice playing in the sandbox. IMHO, a hundred of these idiot kids can kill a thousand of their own family members so long as none of our lads get hurt - that's my view of war. If that makes me a my lai monger then so be it, I'll still be able to look my fugly mug in the mirror and sleep well at night. BTW - Aris getting banned has nothing to do w/free speech; this is Fred's blog, he can do as he pleases w/it. I personally think Aris is an *sshole who once in a while made a good point. I didn't get my panties in a bunch when Aris interjected his views but also am not crying because he's been booted. Most of the time he was a pain in the ass and his debate skills really went down hill over the past 3 yrs, or, it's the same old crap, dodge a question by asking one, pull some OT subject out of the text and try to misrepresent other poster's comments -gets old quick. I'm not a mod and don't want to be, I trust they know when to toss folks.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-16 21:49|| 2007-10-16 21:49|| Front Page Top

#40 UPDATE:
Mama does deserve our sympathy.
From Radio Free Afghanistan, via Jawa:
"Afghanistan's Interior Ministry says a would-be suicide bomber killed himself and his family as his mother tried to stop him from carrying out a Taliban-style suicide attack in southern Afghanistan. The ministry says the man's bomb-filled vest exploded as his mother struggled with him at their home in the Chora district of Uruzgan Province on Sunday (October 14). The man, his mother, his sister, and his 11-year-old brother were all killed. The Ministry says the man had been trained for a suicide mission at a militant Islamic school in Pakistan."

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-10-16 22:33|| 2007-10-16 22:33|| Front Page Top

#41 Hokay. Mom gets kudos. As Ebbang Uluque6305 previously noted:

the suspicion is that this mother knew what her son was up to or, at the very least, failed in her parental duties to know who his friends were. Maybe that's holding her to too high of a standard than we should expect from Afghans but, then, other more or less innocent people were likely to die because of her failure. We went to war in Afghanistan because their society condoned the activities of Osama bin Laden. They are part of a culture that is hostile to us. This is the same culture that demanded the death penalty for a man who converted from Islam to Christianity. They are cynical barbarians who use our sympathy for the supposedly innocent civilians against us.
[emphasis added]

To the mother's credit, she did did take final responsibility and paid for it with her life. Far too many other Muslim parents either openly encourage such behavior or tacitly approve of it by making no pointed inquiries into what sort of indoctrination their child receives.

Too few Muslims have been made to pay a price for their flaccid attitude towards terrorism. Once the cost becomes high enough, maybe then they'll show greater concern for who is shaping the minds of their children. The fact that Afghanis accepted the reinstallation of shari'a law tells me that they still have some extremely harsh lessons to learn. Their refusal to recognize how shari'a is one vast abuse of human rights prevents me from having very much sympathy. I'll save that for the people who are fighting to eliminate shari'a, wherever they are.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-16 23:00|| 2007-10-16 23:00|| Front Page Top

#42 apparently she doesn't deserve the hell her spawn sentenced her and the other children to - her bad luck?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-16 23:14|| 2007-10-16 23:14|| Front Page Top

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